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08-29-2014, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
I don't know the pay history behind the 737 but while they may be sized similar, the 737s are in fact bigger - especially when you consider that there are only 10 737-700s.
319 -126 passengers
320 - 150 passengers
737-700 - 124 passengers
737-800 - 160 passengers
737-900 - 180 passengers
The airbus fleet is approximately 50% 319/320 averaging about 139 seats.
The 737 fleet currently averages over 161 seats which will rise to about 169 seats when we have all the 900s.
Scoop
319 -126 passengers
320 - 150 passengers
737-700 - 124 passengers
737-800 - 160 passengers
737-900 - 180 passengers
The airbus fleet is approximately 50% 319/320 averaging about 139 seats.
The 737 fleet currently averages over 161 seats which will rise to about 169 seats when we have all the 900s.
Scoop
08-29-2014, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
You are way over estimating the training created by parking the jets.
Keep up the good work, sailingfun. Well, keep up the work, anyway.
08-29-2014, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
Wouldn't expect anything else from one of management's boys.
Keep up the good work, sailingfun. Well, keep up the work, anyway.
Keep up the good work, sailingfun. Well, keep up the work, anyway.
08-29-2014, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
Do you see evil intent around every corner?
What did my post have to do with Caplinger?
Moak did the opposite of what he should have done 2 weeks ago. That's an impeachable offense IMO. My reps said he'll be gone before anything gels.
I don't know Caplinger and don't even think of the DPA. Take your meds man.
What did my post have to do with Caplinger?
Moak did the opposite of what he should have done 2 weeks ago. That's an impeachable offense IMO. My reps said he'll be gone before anything gels.
I don't know Caplinger and don't even think of the DPA. Take your meds man.
08-29-2014, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
Letter from SD promising an "updated" EFB timeline "early next week."
Sounds like more delays.
The incompetence shown thus far is pretty embarrassing.
Sounds like more delays.
The incompetence shown thus far is pretty embarrassing.
Remember... "Free Beer Tomorrow"
08-29-2014, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Gomerglideslope
Well he stated that opinion, and then laid out fairly cogent reasoning why he thought it was so...are you going to refute that reasoning, or just club him over the head?
Say, gomer, how about a credibility check. Now that you're here, would you please weigh in on Moak's comments from a few days ago? Did they help us or hurt us?
08-29-2014, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
You are way over estimating the training created by parking the jets. There will not be a cascade when we are expanding. Most 747 Captains will go to the 330 and some to the 777. With additional block hours on the 777 and 10 more airframes on the 330 side the cascade stops with one training event. Same thing with the copilots who will be absorbed in the 330 or increasing CA seats. Cascades happen when you have a static or shrinking airline not a growing airline.
08-29-2014, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by iceman49
Originally Posted by tsquare
So you're saying that they are offering it to select pilots on select 4 engine airplanes? Hell no. Sorry. That's wrong. Displace 'em, and train 'em.
So are you saying contractually they can't or they shouldn't?
So you're saying that they are offering it to select pilots on select 4 engine airplanes? Hell no. Sorry. That's wrong. Displace 'em, and train 'em.
So are you saying contractually they can't or they shouldn't?
They can't unless it is negotiated with the union.
08-29-2014, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Exactly what I was trying to say. If they wanna stay and train, have at it. If they wanna retire, fair winds and following seas. Any displacements other than the whale guys will be minimal and short lived. I still don't understand why we are even talking about this.
There is another component not mentioned to a ER program that might make the company willing to open their purse strings a bit more. This is a personal opinion only but the company is very concerned about the actual timing of retirements. After almost no early outs for a year we suddenly had a spike in guys leaving early the first 6 months of the year. Retirements the next few years are still light compared to 2018. It may be worth it to the company to time shift a portion of those retirements into the next two years. They smooth the retirement flow and can release those pilots on their time line not the whims of the pilots. We will know in a two weeks what they have offered.
08-29-2014, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
You are way over estimating the training created by parking the jets. There will not be a cascade when we are expanding. Most 747 Captains will go to the 330 and some to the 777. With additional block hours on the 777 and 10 more airframes on the 330 side the cascade stops with one training event. Same thing with the copilots who will be absorbed in the 330 or increasing CA seats. Cascades happen when you have a static or shrinking airline not a growing airline.
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