Purple Drank

The company needs early outs a lot more than the pilot group does.

Any time we ask the company for something, they expect something in return. Now, what are they going to give in return for something they badly need?

We've got to get every penny and every second off when we can...the company will take every penny and second off when it can.

Or is "constructive engagement" a one-way (or should I say "wrong way") street for the pilot group?

Speedbird2263

I have noticed that it also pays more than the similarly sized A320 which is the 737s direct competitor(per APC). Why is that?

Bucking Bar

Now I have to clean my screen.

orvil

A long, involved history of negotiations, mergers, and divergent company philosophies. It's complicated.

CGfalconHerc

Having been displaced/re-trained 5 times...I think a couple of months enjoying Spons and the BBQ Kitchen at the Holiday Inn North on Va. Ave (instead of NATCO), training for a pay cut on a new plane, with a new base and a more junior commute will motivate a 4-Eng guy to take his frozen pension and retire more than some sort of wimpy buy-out. Especially if they can stay where they are until they turn 65, making 74A pay, dropping a few trips a year to get a head start on the ice-fishing season!?

I know only the bottom 25% will be mandatorily displaced, but if the training backlog is too great for the company to swallow, just let that category stay fat until guys bid off with a (hopefully) new WB order or the senior guys hit 65. I think the 15 SEA 330 captain vacancies on the current AE are designed to attract the bottom of the 74 list to bid off the whale before they get displaced so they can be trained over a greater period of time and avoid any bubble.

There's no need to also offer a deal to the top 25% since they're all near 63 anyway.

Jmho..

Bucking Bar

Couple of reasons. DALPA attempted to capture the efficiency gains from the 727 which it more or less directly replaced* and Southwest airlines actually made a convenient benchmark (and who said we could not pattern bargain off the Southwest student Council?).

We again tried to capture the efficiency gains over the 757 that the 737-900 is replacing. That was a dollar.*

*(however, considering the 737-900 needs a flaps 15 War Emergency Power takeoff to get out of a sea level airport with a 10,000 foot runway and cruises at 25,000 feet, we have discovered the 737 is less efficient than the 40 year old design it is replacing so in C2015 we are going to take a $15 an hour concession to the 757 ... but the trips are better ... the 737-900 can only go to former SAC bases ... which is why the zoomies all bid the thing ... reminds them of their youth )

Bucking Bar

I thought we just did it to screw the NWA guys. Oh, that's what you were saying

Oberon

What do you think targeted early retirement is worth? What do you think we should get?

The reason I ask is, it costs something to displace and it costs something to offer an early retirement program. Do you think it costs significantly more to displace that there would be something for everyone else? I have no clue...

Bucking Bar

... and you think it gets rough on APC

tsquare

Too bad you have to sacrifice pay for that choice. Just sayin'