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Old 08-29-2014 | 06:55 AM
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Old 08-29-2014 | 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
Agree with Tsquare and GG. Early outs are something the company needs to avoid a very expensive and manpower-draining training cascade. (of course the company's bean counters didn't look at those limfacs when making their decision). So now they're up a creek.

They need to provide incentive if they want to offer them (in seniority order, of course).

However...I see DALPA (and us) getting rolled. Again.
I don't think we are gonna get rolled here. I just don't think we are gonna get anything substantial out of it other than not having displacements that imho will be short term anyway.
Old 08-29-2014 | 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
I don't think we are gonna get rolled here. I just don't think we are gonna get anything substantial out of it other than not having displacements that imho will be short term anyway.


As long as they offer it to.everyone in seniority order.

If not, then we can pass on this deal.
Old 08-29-2014 | 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
So you're saying that they are offering it to select pilots on select 4 engine airplanes? Hell no. Sorry. That's wrong. Displace 'em, and train 'em.
Agree 100%.

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Old 08-29-2014 | 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
As long as they offer it to.everyone in seniority order.

If not, then we can pass on this deal.
Exactly. As long as it is in senioirty order, what is the big deal?

I am not getting some of the angst with this whole (possible) deal. It almost seems like some would rather have them displace these pilots (causing more possible displacements) than to try and mitigate the damage?

Which course of action provides the best possible outcome for the pilot group and why? (Not a rhetorical question and assuming we aren't giving anything up)
Old 08-29-2014 | 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(or even 737 driver, damn that thing is senior for no obvious reason).
Bucking Bar,

The 737 is senior for a number of reasons. Not everyone wants to fly long-haul international. The 737 has the best trips in the system. It's all about quality of life. That is why it's senior.

I'm middle of the pack on the 737. I can hold international on larger aircraft in my base. I choose not to because of the lifestyle the 737 affords. Guys senior to me aren't going anywhere, either. It's all about lifestyle.
Old 08-29-2014 | 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by RonRicco
Exactly. As long as it is in senioirty order, what is the big deal?

I am not getting some of the angst with this whole (possible) deal. It almost seems like some would rather have them displace these pilots (causing more possible displacements) than to try and mitigate the damage?

Which course of action provides the best possible outcome for the pilot group and why? (Not a rhetorical question and assuming we aren't giving anything up)
The company needs early outs a lot more than the pilot group does.

Any time we ask the company for something, they expect something in return. Now, what are they going to give in return for something they badly need?

We've got to get every penny and every second off when we can...the company will take every penny and second off when it can.

Or is "constructive engagement" a one-way (or should I say "wrong way") street for the pilot group?
Old 08-29-2014 | 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by orvil
Bucking Bar,

The 737 is senior for a number of reasons. Not everyone wants to fly long-haul international. The 737 has the best trips in the system. It's all about quality of life. That is why it's senior.

I'm middle of the pack on the 737. I can hold international on larger aircraft in my base. I choose not to because of the lifestyle the 737 affords. Guys senior to me aren't going anywhere, either. It's all about lifestyle.
I have noticed that it also pays more than the similarly sized A320 which is the 737s direct competitor(per APC). Why is that?
Old 08-29-2014 | 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
A seniority list perhaps?
Now I have to clean my screen.
Old 08-29-2014 | 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Speedbird2263
I have noticed that it also pays more than the similarly sized A320 which is the 737s direct competitor(per APC). Why is that?
A long, involved history of negotiations, mergers, and divergent company philosophies. It's complicated.
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