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08-29-2014, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Scoop

And also the 747 and the 777. The only thing that makes sense is that wanted to even out the pay-rates for North and South as much as possible.

If you ask me - they are all too low!

Scoop

The south had higher rates at the time of the merger. There was a limited amount of money available in the joint contract. To get the north rates to match the south there would have been no raises for the south pilots. A hybrid raise system was used where everyone got raises but the North raises were higher to close some but not all of the of the gap.

08-29-2014, 11:45 AM

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So you're saying that they are offering it to select pilots on select 4 engine airplanes? Hell no. Sorry. That's wrong. Displace 'em, and train 'em.

No, I am saying they can't do that.

08-29-2014, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

The ones being parked aren't the oldest. Additionally, I have yet to see UA parking whales. You know that thing where I say you're awful at data analysis? Yep... That again.

They are being parked based on the leases. UAL has parked almost half their whale fleet.

08-29-2014, 11:53 AM

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^^^^^^^SHACK!!!!^^^^^^
Why don't our reps get this? Seems the NC is just jonesing and needs a fix. Just say NO! and step away.

That would be incredibly stupid if the company is willing to fund the program and it is set up to be fair.

08-29-2014, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

Couple of reasons. DALPA attempted to capture the efficiency gains from the 727 which it more or less directly replaced* and Southwest airlines actually made a convenient benchmark (and who said we could not pattern bargain off the Southwest student Council?).

We again tried to capture the efficiency gains over the 757 that the 737-900 is replacing. That was a dollar.*

*(however, considering the 737-900 needs a flaps 15 War Emergency Power takeoff to get out of a sea level airport with a 10,000 foot runway and cruises at 25,000 feet, we have discovered the 737 is less efficient than the 40 year old design it is replacing so in C2015 we are going to take a $15 an hour concession to the 757 ... but the trips are better ... the 737-900 can only go to former SAC bases ... which is why the zoomies all bid the thing ... reminds them of their youth )

When we negotiated the 73n rate the SW rate was something like 158 an hour. We got 234 an hour. SW then bumped their rate to 192 an hour back in 01 or 02. We never pattern bargained off of them.

08-29-2014, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by tsquare

So you're saying that they are offering it to select pilots on select 4 engine airplanes? Hell no. Sorry. That's wrong. Displace 'em, and train 'em.

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No, I am saying they can't do that.

So are you saying contractually they can't or they shouldn't?

08-29-2014, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Purple Drank

When factoring the costs of displacing from the 744...in addition to the simple cost of each training event, we've got to factor in the potentially much higher cost of not being able to fly the schedule due to manning issues.

Some fleets are already at or near capacity even without displacements. The 717 pipeline is already maxed out. Adding more training due to displacements is impossible. Then management is looking at canceling flights. The real and intangible costs of that outcome would likely exceed the training events themselves.

DALPA has some leverage here. Will they use it, or "constructively engage" it away?

You are way over estimating the training created by parking the jets. There will not be a cascade when we are expanding. Most 747 Captains will go to the 330 and some to the 777. With additional block hours on the 777 and 10 more airframes on the 330 side the cascade stops with one training event. Same thing with the copilots who will be absorbed in the 330 or increasing CA seats. Cascades happen when you have a static or shrinking airline not a growing airline.

08-29-2014, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Scoop

I don't know the pay history behind the 737 but while they may be sized similar, the 737s are in fact bigger - especially when you consider that there are only 10 737-700s.

319 -126 passengers
320 - 150 passengers

737-700 - 124 passengers
737-800 - 160 passengers
737-900 - 180 passengers

The airbus fleet is approximately 50% 319/320 averaging about 139 seats.
The 737 fleet currently averages over 161 seats which will rise to about 169 seats when we have all the 900s.

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Now it's making more sense that you break it down like that. I do believe I read the other day on dlnet (or probably on here now that I think about it) that the Airbus fleet is due for interior upgrades a la the 757 fleet. Namely re-positioning of the lavs, addition of a few slim-line seats and nifty overhead bins. I suppose after that the guys that speak francais will be calling in for an increase?

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