Originally Posted by Humboldt

Our next Contract: Food for (very simplistic) thought.

ALL new hires are gong to NYC. Why? Because if you don't already live there you sure can't afford to move there now. Every AE that comes out has all those new hires in NYC folks flocking to bases with lower cost of living.

LAX is in the same position. All the folks in LA either commute by air from nearby, or they have been living in SoCal for decades. You will see, in the near future, LAX becoming a mix of super senior and super junior. Why? Because if you haven't established roots here long ago, you can't afford to move here now. If the 717 opens in LA, this will expedite this scenario.

So recently, I was flying with a super senior Capt who owns a bad arse beach house. Now I don't expect to have a beach house but I'd love to stop commuting and buy a decent house in a decent neighborhood within an hour and 1/2 drive of LAX. Can I do that? No f'in way. I grew up in SoCal but haven't lived there for 20 years. I was hired in '07 and have not been able to bid LAX until this summer. I would like to be able move back but on 8 year pay, no way.

For our next contract, profit sharing should be off the bargaining table (as in "Don't touch it"). I want a raise that will allow me and my family to live ANY of the domiciles that Delta has selected to base pilots. Its called a domicile for a reason, you are supposed to LIVE there. For those that say "Commuting is a choice," I call bull$hit. I can't afford to not to commute and please don't tell me to move to ATL.

My wife would love to live in Manhattan. I'd move there too, to make her happy, but can we move to NYC? No.

The pilot groups at all the majors have been beat down so much over the last decade and a half that they just shrug their shoulders and say, "Well I guess this is going to be the best we can do." (AA contract for example).

I want at least a 20% raise out the gate (you may want more and I'm on board with that too), the company can afford it. I want to live in MY DOMICILE and the company need to pay me so I can afford to live in THEIR DOMICILE.

Rant over,

Humboldt

Originally Posted by Humboldt

Our next Contract: Food for (very simplistic) thought.

ALL new hires are gong to NYC. Why? Because if you don't already live there you sure can't afford to move there now. Every AE that comes out has all those new hires in NYC folks flocking to bases with lower cost of living.

LAX is in the same position. All the folks in LA either commute by air from nearby, or they have been living in SoCal for decades. You will see, in the near future, LAX becoming a mix of super senior and super junior. Why? Because if you haven't established roots here long ago, you can't afford to move here now. If the 717 opens in LA, this will expedite this scenario.

So recently, I was flying with a super senior Capt who owns a bad arse beach house. Now I don't expect to have a beach house but I'd love to stop commuting and buy a decent house in a decent neighborhood within an hour and 1/2 drive of LAX. Can I do that? No f'in way. I grew up in SoCal but haven't lived there for 20 years. I was hired in '07 and have not been able to bid LAX until this summer. I would like to be able move back but on 8 year pay, no way.

For our next contract, profit sharing should be off the bargaining table (as in "Don't touch it"). I want a raise that will allow me and my family to live ANY of the domiciles that Delta has selected to base pilots. Its called a domicile for a reason, you are supposed to LIVE there. For those that say "Commuting is a choice," I call bull$hit. I can't afford to not to commute and please don't tell me to move to ATL.

My wife would love to live in Manhattan. I'd move there too, to make her happy, but can we move to NYC? No.

The pilot groups at all the majors have been beat down so much over the last decade and a half that they just shrug their shoulders and say, "Well I guess this is going to be the best we can do." (AA contract for example).

I want at least a 20% raise out the gate (you may want more and I'm on board with that too), the company can afford it. I want to live in MY DOMICILE and the company need to pay me so I can afford to live in THEIR DOMICILE.

Rant over,

Humboldt

Originally Posted by flyallnite

These flights begin in June...

Originally Posted by flyallnite

There appears to be a fair amount of 717 flying out of LAX this summer. LAS, PDX, SFO all have several flights per day. I'm not seeing any flights to these airports from anywhere else on the 717. ... in other words, how do they plan to get the AC and crews there from the current bases unless they are either A. deadheading or B. Opening a new category...

Originally Posted by forgot to bid

I know not there plan, but, given the training capacity on the 717 and the time frame for these west coast trips to start it certainly looks like they feel they have the capacity with dtw pilots to perform this flying.

Don't forget they can run five day trips. With a thirty hour layover in the middle there is a lot they can do to cover trips.

What the west coast guys should hope for is this is wildly successful venture out there and that they open a base and expand flying. But I believe they had said three bases only with 88 aircraft, but maybe they'll change their mind.

Here's to hoping for more west coast flying though.

But my question is why not an airbus base in lax?

Originally Posted by Humboldt

Our next Contract: Food for (very simplistic) thought.

ALL new hires are gong to NYC. Why? Because if you don't already live there you sure can't afford to move there now. Every AE that comes out has all those new hires in NYC folks flocking to bases with lower cost of living.

LAX is in the same position. All the folks in LA either commute by air from nearby, or they have been living in SoCal for decades. You will see, in the near future, LAX becoming a mix of super senior and super junior. Why? Because if you haven't established roots here long ago, you can't afford to move here now. If the 717 opens in LA, this will expedite this scenario.

So recently, I was flying with a super senior Capt who owns a bad arse beach house. Now I don't expect to have a beach house but I'd love to stop commuting and buy a decent house in a decent neighborhood within an hour and 1/2 drive of LAX. Can I do that? No f'in way. I grew up in SoCal but haven't lived there for 20 years. I was hired in '07 and have not been able to bid LAX until this summer. I would like to be able move back but on 8 year pay, no way.

For our next contract, profit sharing should be off the bargaining table (as in "Don't touch it"). I want a raise that will allow me and my family to live ANY of the domiciles that Delta has selected to base pilots. Its called a domicile for a reason, you are supposed to LIVE there. For those that say "Commuting is a choice," I call bull$hit. I can't afford to not to commute and please don't tell me to move to ATL.

My wife would love to live in Manhattan. I'd move there too, to make her happy, but can we move to NYC? No.

The pilot groups at all the majors have been beat down so much over the last decade and a half that they just shrug their shoulders and say, "Well I guess this is going to be the best we can do." (AA contract for example).

I want at least a 20% raise out the gate (you may want more and I'm on board with that too), the company can afford it. I want to live in MY DOMICILE and the company need to pay me so I can afford to live in THEIR DOMICILE.

Rant over,

Humboldt

Originally Posted by BoyFromSouth

Quick question, do personal drops get granted before white slips.

Thanks,
BFS

Originally Posted by forgot to bid

I neither hate or live either team, I have no idea who to cheer for or even against.