Good news for Greater BOS commuters...RJ Shrinkage: Delta.com showing all the BOS-LGA and BOS-JFK in November as 717 mainline.

 

Come on, Alan. You're not that naive. He's not talking about anything even remotely in the ball park of restoration. Try asking just about anyone on our MEC or any of the DALPA aficionados that hang around here about whether the 50% pay increase it would currently take to restore our buying power is reasonable. I can guarantee you their answer is no. They might even call it "onerous."

 

And neither can you possibly be so jaded as to think that he's talking about a $2.00 or $2.05 pay raise.

 

Alfa, ALPA bankrupted 9E, not management. When ALPA forced Colgan onto one list, against Delta management's wishes, Delta was off the hook for paying for the increased costs of the merger. Delta management knew what would happen, we were setup to fail, so they could dump the 200.

I have already had two of my flights cancel this month due to lack of a second pilot. We have to park a massive amount of jets this fall. We have 1800 pilots on the list, but only 1300 are active, and we are losing 50-60 a month. We need about 900 pilots to staff the CRJ900's, once below that number, they go straight from the Bombardier factory to the desert.

 

Maybe, but how many of them are there left? Yes, the 4th and 2cnd floors are back. But how about the legion of service positions who are gone? Outsourced.

Delta + NWA is such a different company that comparisons to a decade ago are pretty much meaningless.

(know it wasn't your point, just commenting)

 

Because Lee Moak truly believes reducing the cost of regional feed via outsourcing benefits mainline pilots and our profession.

I'm taking on Alpha next.

 

Being naive, but how did ALPA bankrupt 9E and how did ALPA force a merger of lists? Thks

 

Would you mean Capt. Tom Wychor, who led his pilot group into massive (25% to 40%) concessions during a period of time that Delta had received expanded scope permissions and had announced plans to buy the CRJ-900's that (surprise ) Pinnacle ended up getting right after winning the race to the bottom? Would you mean the same as failed his interview and immediately went into management?

Would you mean the contract which was done with Delta management to secure a commitment for Delta flying while the Delta MEC was left unaware and uninformed, thus violating ALPA's Constitution and Administrative manual provisions with regard to the autonomy of the Delta MEC? Would you mean the contract which modified the Delta PWA with regard to preferential hiring in 1 D 11 and 12, which gave the senior employed Captains at Endeavor preferred interviews while ALPA members who had lost their jobs (and thus NEEDED jobs) were effectively shut out?

Would you mean the contract which is now cited by US Air / American and Delta as having lowered costs so substantially that others have to match those concessions, or go out of business?

Would you mean concessions negotiated while Endeavor's parent Company was making record profits and at the beginning of a 300% + gain in share price?

Would you mean the contract which is so lousy that Endeavor can not staff it's airline as a result of pilots leaving? Would you mean a contract which destroyed pilots' longevity?

I understand the model Moak believes in, and how it might benefit us (although I don't believe management simply takes the money from Mesaba and hands it to me as a sort of reverse Robin Hood). What I do not think you appreciate is that management wants to replicate this lower standard where ever they can and our task as a mainline association grows more difficult as we accept certificate of convenience schemes as long as they are DCI and not NAI.

No disrespect intended. But this is not a legacy that I would be proud of. It was truly shameful. Endeavor's negotiations should have never been authorized and they smell like low tide. I believe this error will cloud Tim Cannoll's run for ALPA's Presidency unless he can find a way to distance himself from the disaster. ( ... and in the current field he stands out as clearly the best choice overall, JMHO ) Smart folks like you need to help him and your post just does not help at all.

What you fundamentally misrepresent is that Delta is ONE NETWORK with Endeavor. Endeavor is Delta. The only distinction is the line we draw to separate ourselves from the ugly bargaining forced on those who have no scope.

Worse, we risk repeating some of the same errors which led to the Endeavor pilots' dilemma. We have no recognition language which compels our MEC to be in the room while Delta flying is allocated. Our scope is a piece meal mix, which lacks a global production balance. We should be writing scope that is tighter than spanx on the back side of a Kardashian. We must have recognition for the Delta MEC. We must have a global production balance. We are the best in the business at this stuff, but we need to get even better.

... and this is not Monday morning quarterbacking ... I shined a flash light on this disaster before it was ratified and while it was being negotiated. Not that I'm all that bright, a somnambulant primate could have seen this coming and simply said, NO!

 

Purple Drank is illegal, and those new Alfa's are kind of Ewwwww. How about neither?

 

The purchase of Colgan was a scope violation of the 9E contract, the NMB ruled an SLI was the remedy. Thus Delta would have been forced to pay all the training associated with the United Q400 when the lists merged. Delta chose not too, and 9E management was stuck with the bill, and went bankrupt.