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08-18-2014, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by iceman49
Still not getting it....who purchased Colgan, the company? The NMB saiid that the SLI was the remedy, so the lists were merged? Or are you saying that ALPA should have not allowed Colgan to organize. Air Florida had a similar operation, they did not organize because of a merger possibility..however it did help down the road....but simply the "ops group." (in house union) was a good ol boy group that was ill equipped to deal with what was happening at Air Florida.
Question for you 80, if Delta decides to buy, say the new Eastern airlines, and operate it separately from you guys, should ALPA organize those pilots. Yes, or No, and why?
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08-18-2014, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Alfa, ALPA bankrupted 9E, not management. When ALPA forced Colgan onto one list, against Delta management's wishes, Delta was off the hook for paying for the increased costs of the merger. Delta management knew what would happen, we were setup to fail, so they could dump the 200.
The key to your future is cooperation and coordination. Trying to solve your problems by waiting for the destruction of others is not the answer. The rest of the conspiracy theories are just black helicopter stuff that might make you feel better but do nothing to solve your real problems. Delta only wishes they had the grand master plan to move chess pieces around. In reality, they wanted Pinnacle to merge to solve their problems and lower costs due to size. Their management blew it big time and then Delta was faced with a gigantic problem that they didn't want and didn't need. From there they just tried to salvage a terrible situation. That is why they sent a bunch of executives over there to clean house. This was not some Dr. Evil plot, it was a clown show in Memphis (Pinnacle HQ).
08-18-2014, 12:31 PM
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One thing to note, ALPA can never admit wrong doing, lest the wolves descend in...
08-18-2014, 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
That right there sort of encapsulates the last decade of the regional industry and their problems. Your idea to save Pinnacle/Mesaba pilots is to throw the Colgan guys under the bus.
08-18-2014, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Do you think a divided pilot group (DPA) will result in a higher or lower opener from management.
08-18-2014, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ATL7ER
THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Those "coworkers", whose opinion of us T is so concerned about, could have checked Pilot on the application. Unless of course they hadn't done anything even remotely similar to what the rest of us did to be able to check that box. Could Not Care LESS about our "reputation" among our "coworkers". Show me the money.
And you wonder why we still make so much less than before despite profit levels never seen in the history of commercial aviation.
What ARE they spiking the Koolaid with at those LCA meetings??Simply Unbelievable. One of the first steps towards recovering from the last decade is to stop worrying about offending some coworker who couldn't be/didn't want to be a pilot. I wonder if our executives, who have contracts negotiated for them individually by their representatives, worry about offending other executives when they negotiate their deals.Hmmmm...
Those "coworkers", whose opinion of us T is so concerned about, could have checked Pilot on the application. Unless of course they hadn't done anything even remotely similar to what the rest of us did to be able to check that box. Could Not Care LESS about our "reputation" among our "coworkers". Show me the money.
And you wonder why we still make so much less than before despite profit levels never seen in the history of commercial aviation.
What ARE they spiking the Koolaid with at those LCA meetings??Simply Unbelievable. One of the first steps towards recovering from the last decade is to stop worrying about offending some coworker who couldn't be/didn't want to be a pilot. I wonder if our executives, who have contracts negotiated for them individually by their representatives, worry about offending other executives when they negotiate their deals.Hmmmm...Second... nevermind... this place is really starting to suck.
08-18-2014, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
That right there sort of encapsulates the last decade of the regional industry and their problems. Your idea to save Pinnacle/Mesaba pilots is to throw the Colgan guys under the bus. Right now, when that happens, the aircraft just get moved to a new carrier with 1 and 2 year Captains that have the lowest costs which further puts pressure on long established carriers. How long did it take Delta to place the Comair large RJ's into service after they shut down? Not long. ASA's costs are too high? Just move the jets to GoJets with new hires and problem solved.
The key to your future is cooperation and coordination.
The key to your future is cooperation and coordination.
08-18-2014, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
It was a simple mathematical statement of fact. I don't see how you could have possibly taken it the way you did.
I do know how touchy some of the other employees are about how much money we make. Sorry, but I don't make any apologies about that. If they wanted to be pilots, or business executives, or doctors, or whatever else pays more than what they make, then they should have pursued it. I certainly don't flaunt it in their face... and I am extremely respectful and professional with all of them. Beyond that, if some of them have a chip on their shoulder about it, there's nothing I can do about that. I'm certainly not going to voluntarily take less pay to make them feel better.
What's up with you today, T? I thought you were a conservative and didn't like socialism?
I do know how touchy some of the other employees are about how much money we make. Sorry, but I don't make any apologies about that. If they wanted to be pilots, or business executives, or doctors, or whatever else pays more than what they make, then they should have pursued it. I certainly don't flaunt it in their face... and I am extremely respectful and professional with all of them. Beyond that, if some of them have a chip on their shoulder about it, there's nothing I can do about that. I'm certainly not going to voluntarily take less pay to make them feel better.
What's up with you today, T? I thought you were a conservative and didn't like socialism?
I despise socialism, and in particular the head socialist clown in the circus. I wasn't advocating that in the least. And I do not apologize for my compensation. But your "mathematical statement of fact" certainly appeared to me to be saying that the other employees have gotten back to where they were before the BK, and that reaching that level is not as important to them nor as meaningful to them as reaching it is to us. And what I read was EXACTLY flaunting it in their face.
Secondly, if I read that in your post, I can guarantee you that someone else did. If you don't agree, that's your prerogative. I'll bet there are some that do.
08-18-2014, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
First, you never...ever... have the right to bring up executive compensation again, if this is truly your feelings. After all, you could have checked CEO on your application, right?
Second... nevermind... this place is really starting to suck.
Second... nevermind... this place is really starting to suck.
08-18-2014, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Exactly right
Bar, we didn't do it my way. We sat around the campfire, and sang Kumbaya, and look what happened. Instead of ending the whipsaw, we became the whip.
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