Soo... the bankruptcy is ALPA's fault because of the decision the company made to buy Colgan?

Your logic is impeccable.

 

I don't always agree with everything you post, but I agree wholeheartedly with this. No need to rub anyone's face in it with regards to our pay, but absolutely no need to apologize, either. We are constantly told we are the face of the airline, we have the most invested, and shoulder the most risk. We are underpaid.

 

The problem was the remedy, not the purchase, if Colgan had not been ALPA, things would have been way different. Colgan organized after the purchase, thus it changed the entire dynamic.

 

Still not getting it....who purchased Colgan, the company? The NMB saiid that the SLI was the remedy, so the lists were merged? Or are you saying that ALPA should have not allowed Colgan to organize. Air Florida had a similar operation, they did not organize because of a merger possibility..however it did help down the road....but simply the "ops group." (in house union) was a good ol boy group that was ill equipped to deal with what was happening at Air Florida.

 

On another note, with the changes in our industry and current world conditions the upcoming wide body aircraft order, IMHO will not only shock us but also amaze us in it's size.

 

Pinnacle management has a long history of taking actions without thinking out the consequences. You're barking up the wrong tree trying to blame ALPA for the consequences of management's decision.

 

Colgan was non-union when they were purchased by Pinnacle management in 2007. ALPA had no business organizing a pilot group that was a direct scope violation of another ALPA pilot group. That's the very definition of a DFR.

Question for you 80, if Delta decides to buy, say the new Eastern airlines, and operate it separately from you guys, should ALPA organize those pilots. Yes, or No, and why?

 

That right there sort of encapsulates the last decade of the regional industry and their problems. Your idea to save Pinnacle/Mesaba pilots is to throw the Colgan guys under the bus. Right now, when that happens, the aircraft just get moved to a new carrier with 1 and 2 year Captains that have the lowest costs which further puts pressure on long established carriers. How long did it take Delta to place the Comair large RJ's into service after they shut down? Not long. ASA's costs are too high? Just move the jets to GoJets with new hires and problem solved.

The key to your future is cooperation and coordination. Trying to solve your problems by waiting for the destruction of others is not the answer. The rest of the conspiracy theories are just black helicopter stuff that might make you feel better but do nothing to solve your real problems. Delta only wishes they had the grand master plan to move chess pieces around. In reality, they wanted Pinnacle to merge to solve their problems and lower costs due to size. Their management blew it big time and then Delta was faced with a gigantic problem that they didn't want and didn't need. From there they just tried to salvage a terrible situation. That is why they sent a bunch of executives over there to clean house. This was not some Dr. Evil plot, it was a clown show in Memphis (Pinnacle HQ).

 

One thing to note, ALPA can never admit wrong doing, lest the wolves descend in...

 

When they took a job at Colgan as a scope violation of 9E, they knew the risks. This is in no way the same as selling scope. Your junior pilots did not expect to get furloughed, while they watched thousands of regional pilots get hired in their place. ALPA has no business facilitating this type of behavior, NONE WHAT-SO-EVER.