Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
08-24-2014, 09:57 AM
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I did get a call for a GS once when the phone was on mute, all I heard was the voice-mail which basically was them telling me that since I didn't answer they were moving on to the next guy. I immediately called back but the trip was gone.
08-24-2014, 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Flamer
Obligated is not necessarily true. From WSC.
A pilot's obligation to accept a trip on X days or regular line off days is not absolute, whether the trip is the result of a white slip (same day or next day), yellow slip, green slip, or inverse assignment. A variety of circumstances might make accepting such a trip impossible. For example:
• Not being physically located so as to be able to report.
• Having consumed alcohol.
• Lack of available child care.
• Lack of available transportation.
• Not being adequately rested.
Know your contract. Not all of the schedulers do.
A pilot's obligation to accept a trip on X days or regular line off days is not absolute, whether the trip is the result of a white slip (same day or next day), yellow slip, green slip, or inverse assignment. A variety of circumstances might make accepting such a trip impossible. For example:
• Not being physically located so as to be able to report.
• Having consumed alcohol.
• Lack of available child care.
• Lack of available transportation.
• Not being adequately rested.
Know your contract. Not all of the schedulers do.
It's just way easier to not ever answer the phone. I have no clue why guys actually answer. You ALWAYS have the option to not take the trip if you don't answer your phone,.
08-24-2014, 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy
The companies view of this is that if you have issues with any of those 5 then you should pull your GS request so they don't call you. If you have in a GS request they expect that you have those 5 things taken care of. They will let you out of a trip for those reasons, but they usually press as hard as they can saying if you knew you couldn't make the trip why didn't you pull out your GS request or adjust the qualifiers so we don't waste our time calling you.
How is one supposed to adjust your GS request as to me adequately rest if I don't even know if I'm going to get a trip or what the trip is?
I may be rested for a quick flight to ATL with a DH back but not for a 5+ hour flight to the west coast. Hard to tell what childcare coverage I need to cover before I get a call for GS.
WS are easier to determine both for rest and child care because I have time to look at the whole picture before I put in for the WS.
Also, just because I have 14 hours to get childcare doesn't mean I can find it.
08-24-2014, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Delta1067
Delta had zero obligation to honor the XJ flow once they were no longer owned by NWA. As an olive branch, Delta threw in a years worth of flows. They didn't even have to do that.
08-24-2014, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by iaflyer
FAR 117 requires me to not fly any trip if I'm "Not being adequately rested." GS or otherwise.
How is one supposed to adjust your GS request as to me adequately rest if I don't even know if I'm going to get a trip or what the trip is?
I may be rested for a quick flight to ATL with a DH back but not for a 5+ hour flight to the west coast.
How is one supposed to adjust your GS request as to me adequately rest if I don't even know if I'm going to get a trip or what the trip is?
I may be rested for a quick flight to ATL with a DH back but not for a 5+ hour flight to the west coast.
08-24-2014, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Erdude32
Not entirely true. I've turned down 4 Greenslips this month. Two because I wouldn't have been rested & two because I couldn't get into position in time. I answer every time they call, listen to the sales pitch & decide if I want/can accept it. Have never had an issue with turning one down. 9/10'times they thank me for answering my phone & move onto the next person.
08-24-2014, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by iaflyer
FAR 117 requires me to not fly any trip if I'm "Not being adequately rested." GS or otherwise.
How is one supposed to adjust your GS request as to me adequately rest if I don't even know if I'm going to get a trip or what the trip is?
I may be rested for a quick flight to ATL with a DH back but not for a 5+ hour flight to the west coast. Hard to tell what childcare coverage I need to cover before I get a call for GS.
WS are easier to determine both for rest and child care because I have time to look at the whole picture before I put in for the WS.
Also, just because I have 14 hours to get childcare doesn't mean I can find it.
How is one supposed to adjust your GS request as to me adequately rest if I don't even know if I'm going to get a trip or what the trip is?
I may be rested for a quick flight to ATL with a DH back but not for a 5+ hour flight to the west coast. Hard to tell what childcare coverage I need to cover before I get a call for GS.
WS are easier to determine both for rest and child care because I have time to look at the whole picture before I put in for the WS.
Also, just because I have 14 hours to get childcare doesn't mean I can find it.
And, I never answer my phone as SF does. A big issue is the 1980's style grease board manual trip coverage we are still using.
UAL and SWA both have apps/texting scheduling tools that help both the pilot group and the Co.
08-24-2014, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Flamer
I agree. They are attempting to use rules on both sides of the fence to their advantage.
And, I never answer my phone as SF does. A big issue is the 1980's style grease board manual trip coverage we are still using.
UAL and SWA both have apps/texting scheduling tools that help both the pilot group and the Co.
And, I never answer my phone as SF does. A big issue is the 1980's style grease board manual trip coverage we are still using.
UAL and SWA both have apps/texting scheduling tools that help both the pilot group and the Co.
We had better systems at the regional I worked for. You can figure out stuff here but it is a cumbersome, old, inefficient system.
08-24-2014, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy
The companies view of this is that if you have issues with any of those 5 then you should pull your GS request so they don't call you. If you have in a GS request they expect that you have those 5 things taken care of. They will let you out of a trip for those reasons, but they usually press as hard as they can saying if you knew you couldn't make the trip why didn't you pull out your GS request or adjust the qualifiers so we don't waste our time calling you.
It's just way easier to not ever answer the phone. I have no clue why guys actually answer. You ALWAYS have the option to not take the trip if you don't answer your phone,.
It's just way easier to not ever answer the phone. I have no clue why guys actually answer. You ALWAYS have the option to not take the trip if you don't answer your phone,.
I can totally see how it would be very frustrating for a scheduler to waste his/her time calling people who have no intention of taking the trip. I think it's only fair that we limit our GS requests to something we are willing and able to fly.
08-24-2014, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
Just so you know if you answer your phone when they call for a green slip, the trip is yours. It is not a proffer. If you call them before they get around to calling you, they can probably force it on you unless you have a good reason. Be careful doing this. I am fairly confident, it would have been taken off your schedule eventually if you never called them. Be careful being proactive with green slips. You can put qualifiers in so they only call you on the ones you want.
If the company would invest in a viable scheduling interface, vs the current, onerous, and utterly worthless 80s-era system, replete with schedulers trained in puck-slinging and strong-arming, the company would save a ton of time calling folks who were unable to adequately identify their qualifiers.
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