Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
08-24-2014 | 09:36 AM
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From: Lowest Pay I Could Find
Looks like you've just gotten lucky.
Section 23 Q. 9. > "A pilot will be obligated to fly a GS or GSWC rotation if he is notified of and acknowledges the award."
I ran into this recently. I accidentally answered my phone and the scheduler wouldn't let me out of the GS. I basically begged him and he said he'd move on to the next pilots, but if he couldn't find anyone then I was obligated to fly it. It wasn't a time critical assignment... it was 14 hours out. Be careful answering the phone. In my case, he found another pilot and took the trip off my schedule.
Another thing I learned recently, they don't have to give you the 10 minutes to respond when they're in a time critical assignment. I recently got a call and let it go to voicemail. By the time I listened to the voicemail, logged in to the check the trip out, and called them back, they had already moved on to the next person.
All this talk about GS's is kinda pointless right now anyway. GS season is over. We have triple the amount of reserves required in NYC on the 320 B next month!
Section 23 Q. 9. > "A pilot will be obligated to fly a GS or GSWC rotation if he is notified of and acknowledges the award."
I ran into this recently. I accidentally answered my phone and the scheduler wouldn't let me out of the GS. I basically begged him and he said he'd move on to the next pilots, but if he couldn't find anyone then I was obligated to fly it. It wasn't a time critical assignment... it was 14 hours out. Be careful answering the phone. In my case, he found another pilot and took the trip off my schedule.
Another thing I learned recently, they don't have to give you the 10 minutes to respond when they're in a time critical assignment. I recently got a call and let it go to voicemail. By the time I listened to the voicemail, logged in to the check the trip out, and called them back, they had already moved on to the next person.
All this talk about GS's is kinda pointless right now anyway. GS season is over. We have triple the amount of reserves required in NYC on the 320 B next month!
A pilot's obligation to accept a trip on X days or regular line off days is not absolute, whether the trip is the result of a white slip (same day or next day), yellow slip, green slip, or inverse assignment. A variety of circumstances might make accepting such a trip impossible. For example:
• Not being physically located so as to be able to report.
• Having consumed alcohol.
• Lack of available child care.
• Lack of available transportation.
• Not being adequately rested.
Know your contract. Not all of the schedulers do.
08-24-2014 | 09:45 AM
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From: DAL Pilot
Obligated is not necessarily true. From WSC.
A pilot's obligation to accept a trip on X days or regular line off days is not absolute, whether the trip is the result of a white slip (same day or next day), yellow slip, green slip, or inverse assignment. A variety of circumstances might make accepting such a trip impossible. For example:
• Not being physically located so as to be able to report.
• Having consumed alcohol.
• Lack of available child care.
• Lack of available transportation.
• Not being adequately rested.
Know your contract. Not all of the schedulers do.
A pilot's obligation to accept a trip on X days or regular line off days is not absolute, whether the trip is the result of a white slip (same day or next day), yellow slip, green slip, or inverse assignment. A variety of circumstances might make accepting such a trip impossible. For example:
• Not being physically located so as to be able to report.
• Having consumed alcohol.
• Lack of available child care.
• Lack of available transportation.
• Not being adequately rested.
Know your contract. Not all of the schedulers do.
08-24-2014 | 09:47 AM
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08-24-2014 | 09:52 AM
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08-24-2014 | 09:52 AM
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And I don't particularly like a 0 second delay for takeoff behind one of these!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What moron came up with the new, no-wake turb separation rules?
Twice recently I have been cleared for t/o before the 753 before me has even left the ground! "Colorful" doesn't realy describe the fun!
What moron came up with the new, no-wake turb separation rules?
Twice recently I have been cleared for t/o before the 753 before me has even left the ground! "Colorful" doesn't realy describe the fun!
08-24-2014 | 09:54 AM
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08-24-2014 | 09:57 AM
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I did get a call for a GS once when the phone was on mute, all I heard was the voice-mail which basically was them telling me that since I didn't answer they were moving on to the next guy. I immediately called back but the trip was gone.
08-24-2014 | 10:08 AM
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Obligated is not necessarily true. From WSC.
A pilot's obligation to accept a trip on X days or regular line off days is not absolute, whether the trip is the result of a white slip (same day or next day), yellow slip, green slip, or inverse assignment. A variety of circumstances might make accepting such a trip impossible. For example:
• Not being physically located so as to be able to report.
• Having consumed alcohol.
• Lack of available child care.
• Lack of available transportation.
• Not being adequately rested.
Know your contract. Not all of the schedulers do.
A pilot's obligation to accept a trip on X days or regular line off days is not absolute, whether the trip is the result of a white slip (same day or next day), yellow slip, green slip, or inverse assignment. A variety of circumstances might make accepting such a trip impossible. For example:
• Not being physically located so as to be able to report.
• Having consumed alcohol.
• Lack of available child care.
• Lack of available transportation.
• Not being adequately rested.
Know your contract. Not all of the schedulers do.
It's just way easier to not ever answer the phone. I have no clue why guys actually answer. You ALWAYS have the option to not take the trip if you don't answer your phone,.
08-24-2014 | 10:20 AM
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From: 73N A
The companies view of this is that if you have issues with any of those 5 then you should pull your GS request so they don't call you. If you have in a GS request they expect that you have those 5 things taken care of. They will let you out of a trip for those reasons, but they usually press as hard as they can saying if you knew you couldn't make the trip why didn't you pull out your GS request or adjust the qualifiers so we don't waste our time calling you.
How is one supposed to adjust your GS request as to me adequately rest if I don't even know if I'm going to get a trip or what the trip is?
I may be rested for a quick flight to ATL with a DH back but not for a 5+ hour flight to the west coast. Hard to tell what childcare coverage I need to cover before I get a call for GS.
WS are easier to determine both for rest and child care because I have time to look at the whole picture before I put in for the WS.
Also, just because I have 14 hours to get childcare doesn't mean I can find it.
08-24-2014 | 10:22 AM
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Why then, was there a 6+ week negotiation over it? You need to talk to your management, and find out exactly what happened. Do not go to a union source for this info, especially an XJ union source.
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