Originally Posted by pilotbrianb

As a new-hire at 25% seniority in my category (NYC717B) the first month on the line, I'm in the odd position of having to figure a lot of things out quicker than the norm. I'm well inside the RLL Limit, so I need to decide whether bidding an RLL or Reserve (or Blank Line?, but the open time is a big unknown at this point....and I need to consolidate.....) would be more beneficial as a commuter. With the limited flying, I'm sure most of my RLL would be spent on "long-call" availability days anyway, but at least I can't (?) get converted to short call, and if a few of the guys senior to me also bid RLLs, there might be a rotation or two left to get my projection up a bit so I'm not spending the whole month on availability days.

But, I may have a better pick at days off and such if I bid reserve out of the gate...?

The other variable is that I don't think most of the guys on the projected category list are even going to be trained until later in the month (if at all), so most of this flying could end up in open time, even if it is awarded senior to me.

This is a lot to process when I'm just trying to figure out the very basics of PBS, WHILE still finishing up training this week!

Any help or thoughts on RLL vs. Reserve (vs. Blank) at 25% with only 1.3~ish lines of flying in category would be appreciated; I don't know what I don't know. Thanks!

Originally Posted by Ragtop Day

A few things have changed with regard to RLL's the last few rounds of PWA improvements. The language is below, but you CAN select to receive pay in the amount of the low end of the LCW in return for sitting a set number of "ultra" long call days (trip must be on your sched 24 hrs prior).

PWA:

19. A pilot holding an RLL who elects to receive a regular line guarantee of the lower limit
16 of his LCW, will be required to remain available for assignment to open flying as
17 follows:
18 a. The number of required days of availability will be determined by dividing the
19 difference between his regular line guarantee and his projection by a reserve pro rata
20 share, rounding the resulting quotient up to the nearest integer.
21 b. Such days will be placed on his line by mutual consent between the pilot and Crew
22 Scheduling in a single group, if possible. If such mutual consent cannot be achieved,
23 placement of the days will be determined by Crew Scheduling.
24 c. An increase of the pilot’s projection after placement of his required days of
25 availability will cause the number of such required days to be recalculated under
26 Section 23 D. 19. a. The excess number of such required days determined under this
27 recalculation will be removed from the pilot’s line, beginning with the earliest such
28 day on his line.
d. Following the 2200E PCS run on the 24th 29 of the prior month, the pilot may be
30 assigned recovery flying that:
31 1) is scheduled to report on a day within a group of his days of availability, and
32 2) is scheduled to release no later than three days after the end of such group of days
33 of availability.
34 e. The pilot:
35 1) will be notified of his assignment to recovery flying by telephone contact from
36 Crew Scheduling,
37 2) must be able to report for an assigned rotation no sooner than 24 hours from the
38 first attempted contact by Crew Scheduling, and
39 3) is obligated to fly the recovery flying whether or not he acknowledges such
40 flying.


I think it is a great option if your commuting. You may make a few $$ less than straight rsv, but you can attempt to ws/gs/oob ws to make up the difference. If you can't find a trip you have a 24 hour leash instead of the normal 12, without any SC obligation. I should note that I have never had a RLL line and I am just reading from the contract. I would confirm how the process works via a call to scheduling or ALPA before committing to a strategy.

You can also select a blank reg line. This would be my last choice as you get NO pay guarantee for the month, only what you can ws or gs. It may be nice if the category has a large amount of trips in open time to pick from but, if the category does not have many trips, you may end up with -potentially- zero pay for the month.

Originally Posted by boog123

You can ws out of base also, correct?

Originally Posted by boog123

Just a little more FYI, THE RLL number is block hours divided by the ALV, which it seems to my public math would be 1.25 or so, not 13 for NYC717B. Looks like most will be on reserve, but I could be wrong

Originally Posted by pilotbrianb

The LOA 13 definition also talks about adding absence hours into the equation. Is the published RLL Limit in the bid package not guiding, then? 13 is pretty big difference from 1 or 2; where did they get the bid package number (13) from if what you say is true?

Originally Posted by pilotbrianb

The LOA 13 definition also talks about adding absence hours into the equation. Is the published RLL Limit in the bid package not guiding, then?

Originally Posted by Alan Shore

The RLL number in the bid package rules. The LOA definition simply explains how that number is derived.

Originally Posted by boog123

Should be interesting then with only 90-100 hours of total flying for 13 pilots.

Originally Posted by boog123

Just a little more FYI, THE RLL number is block hours divided by the ALV, which it seems to my public math would be 1.25 or so, not 13 for NYC717B. Looks like most will be on reserve, but I could be wrong