Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-08-2014 | 06:23 PM
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You might want to let that MEC member know that when they told you we were "in-compliance this summer" they were giving you really bad info.
The only measurement we have is a 3-year look-back on percentage of EASKs. There is no daily, monthly or annual measurement.
I really would hope someone on our MEC would know that, especially after getting a briefing from the "JV guys."
Here's what the MEC update says about compliance, once and for all:
"...the Association does not believe the Company will be in compliance at the end of the cure period."
Cheers
George
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09-08-2014 | 07:02 PM
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No worries sailing,
You might want to let that MEC member know that when they told you we were "in-compliance this summer" they were giving you really bad info.
The only measurement we have is a 3-year look-back on percentage of EASKs. There is no daily, monthly or annual measurement.
I really would hope someone on our MEC would know that, especially after getting a briefing from the "JV guys."
Here's what the MEC update says about compliance, once and for all:
"...the Association does not believe the Company will be in compliance at the end of the cure period."
Cheers
George
You might want to let that MEC member know that when they told you we were "in-compliance this summer" they were giving you really bad info.
The only measurement we have is a 3-year look-back on percentage of EASKs. There is no daily, monthly or annual measurement.
I really would hope someone on our MEC would know that, especially after getting a briefing from the "JV guys."
Here's what the MEC update says about compliance, once and for all:
"...the Association does not believe the Company will be in compliance at the end of the cure period."
Cheers
George
Management will want to include it in C2015 and we will get nothing or far less than we would separately.
09-08-2014 | 07:02 PM
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I'm such a lousy aircraft recognition guy. Sitting in a bigger jet cockpit gives you a different viewpoint/perspective than sitting closer to the ground. I was jumpseating in a couple weeks ago in the cockpit of an embraer and there was a 717 taxiing by. I said "that's a big crj" the capt said "that's a 717, you must fly something big."
So, yeah, I think they are shorter than airtrans'.
So, yeah, I think they are shorter than airtrans'.
09-08-2014 | 07:24 PM
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Guess Virgin Atlantic is coming to Atlanta.
Got pinged by a headhunter for a management position. Tempted to interview just to snoop around on their plans. Nothing we can do and really no surprise.
Got pinged by a headhunter for a management position. Tempted to interview just to snoop around on their plans. Nothing we can do and really no surprise.
09-08-2014 | 07:34 PM
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Might want to think about toning down the noise- the more you cry wolf, the harder it is to see when there actually is a wolf.
09-08-2014 | 08:17 PM
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My statement was that they were in compliance this summer and were projected to be this winter. I was told that by a MEC member after a briefing from the JV guys. I never stated they were in compliance for the 36 month look back.
I just got the same email you got. Well it does show a uptick in our flying for June I don't see how they will pick up a full percentage point for July and August to reach 48.5% so I agree that they will not be in compliance going forward. I don't believe we added any capacity in July above the June schedule. I doubt AF/KLM had a summer capacity reduction. They are pulling capacity this fall and winter so we may be in compliance then. KLM is parking all their MD11's by fall and AF is accelerating 747 retirements.
There is no way the company will be in compliance for the lookback and I expect the MEC to file a grievance next spring. I have never listed anything different then that. I agree what I posted about this summer was in error and they will fall about 1% short.
I just got the same email you got. Well it does show a uptick in our flying for June I don't see how they will pick up a full percentage point for July and August to reach 48.5% so I agree that they will not be in compliance going forward. I don't believe we added any capacity in July above the June schedule. I doubt AF/KLM had a summer capacity reduction. They are pulling capacity this fall and winter so we may be in compliance then. KLM is parking all their MD11's by fall and AF is accelerating 747 retirements.
There is no way the company will be in compliance for the lookback and I expect the MEC to file a grievance next spring. I have never listed anything different then that. I agree what I posted about this summer was in error and they will fall about 1% short.
You just stated a few pages ago that the company was currently in compliance and was projected to be so, going forward. No?
As if that makes the last three years of disregarding our agreement OK. It doesn't.
09-08-2014 | 08:26 PM
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I suppose you are talking about reducing profit sharing and agreeing to pay banding as the wolf issues. I hope I am wrong.
The DPA survey with over 700 pilots so far overwhelmingly are opposed to reducing profit sharing or trading it for hourly increases. (Over 90%). Still makes me nervous.
Pay banding? To me it's a done deal.
CDOs? The DPA survey says no so far. 60/40 or so.
09-08-2014 | 08:29 PM
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If this next contract isn't "eye watering", it will be another 10-15 years before we hit another upslope. Which will also be eye watering...but in a bad way.
I like what he has to say. It makes me feel like we have a fighting chance. I'm willing to fight for what we deserve.
09-08-2014 | 09:16 PM
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I'm glad we agree. This is an ongoing multimillion dollar grievance. IMO management will not risk arbitration. We have a great deal of leverage. Not only millions for the harmed pilots, but to tighten our international scope. Immediate compensation for non compliance.
I suppose you are talking about reducing profit sharing and agreeing to pay banding as the wolf issues. I hope I am wrong.
The DPA survey with over 700 pilots so far overwhelmingly are opposed to reducing profit sharing or trading it for hourly increases. (Over 90%). Still makes me nervous.
Pay banding? To me it's a done deal.
CDOs? The DPA survey says no so far. 60/40 or so.
I suppose you are talking about reducing profit sharing and agreeing to pay banding as the wolf issues. I hope I am wrong.
The DPA survey with over 700 pilots so far overwhelmingly are opposed to reducing profit sharing or trading it for hourly increases. (Over 90%). Still makes me nervous.
Pay banding? To me it's a done deal.
CDOs? The DPA survey says no so far. 60/40 or so.
The Delta Pilots Association began collecting survey data from its members in October 2010. The following summary is a list of many inputs made by Delta Pilots and represents common themes and new ideas Delta Pilots desire in the next contract.
7) Seat Pay (Four basic categories .… NBFO, NBCA, WBFO, WBCA …. or two categories .… CA, FO …. reduces training demands).
09-08-2014 | 09:47 PM
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I believe I saw that as an option for reserve improvements in the survey.
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