Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-08-2014 | 05:10 PM
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When newK sits down to play Super Mario Bros, it looks like this:
09-08-2014 | 05:35 PM
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MEC update today shows the pertinent slides, showing us below 47% (not in compliance) and projecting us at 47% (also not in compliance) at the end of the cure period. Of course the MEC update also incorrectly states that the 2009 LOA 16 raised our share of flying from 47% to 50%, when if fact LOA 16 pegged our share of the JV flying at 51.7% (LOA 16 1.P.4). That would have required a minimum 49.95% on a 3-year look-back on March 30, 2011 and March 30, 2012 and a minimum of 50.2% on a 3-year look-back on March 30, 2013 and subsequent years.
In 2010, MOU 14 signed by SD and TO pushed the first measurement out to March 30, 2014 in exchange for increasing our prorated share from 47.6% to 50%. That 2.4% gain (47.6% to 50%) was expected to net Delta pilots an additional 6-7 daily transatlantic flights.
Now we are in a position where the company won't even meet a written agreement that provided plenty of flexibility for unknowns, nearly 5 years after it was signed.
Sailing, you are somewhat of an authority here and I enjoy reading your posts and the treasure trove of information you provide. It's just that when it comes to the terms and the status of our Transatlantic JV your info isn't accurate.
Cheers
George
09-08-2014 | 05:37 PM
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Sailing, you keep saying that we are and will be in compliance but it's simply incorrect, repeating bad info doesn't make it so....
MEC update today shows the pertinent slides, showing us below 47% (not in compliance) and projecting us at 47% (also not in compliance) at the end of the cure period. Of course the MEC update also incorrectly states that the 2009 LOA 16 raised our share of flying from 47% to 50%, when if fact LOA 16 pegged our share of the JV flying at 51.7% (LOA 16 1.P.4). That would have required a minimum 49.95% on a 3-year look-back on March 30, 2011 and March 30, 2012 and a minimum of 50.2% on a 3-year look-back on March 30, 2013 and subsequent years.
In 2010, MOU 14 signed by SD and TO pushed the first measurement out to March 30, 2014 in exchange for increasing our prorated share from 47.6% to 50%. That 2.4% gain (47.6% to 50%) was expected to net Delta pilots an additional 6-7 daily transatlantic flights.
Now we are in a position where the company won't even meet a written agreement that provided plenty of flexibility for unknowns, nearly 5 years after it was signed.
Sailing, you are somewhat of an authority here and I enjoy reading your posts and the treasure trove of information you provide. It's just that when it comes to the terms and the status of our Transatlantic JV your info isn't accurate.
Cheers
George
MEC update today shows the pertinent slides, showing us below 47% (not in compliance) and projecting us at 47% (also not in compliance) at the end of the cure period. Of course the MEC update also incorrectly states that the 2009 LOA 16 raised our share of flying from 47% to 50%, when if fact LOA 16 pegged our share of the JV flying at 51.7% (LOA 16 1.P.4). That would have required a minimum 49.95% on a 3-year look-back on March 30, 2011 and March 30, 2012 and a minimum of 50.2% on a 3-year look-back on March 30, 2013 and subsequent years.
In 2010, MOU 14 signed by SD and TO pushed the first measurement out to March 30, 2014 in exchange for increasing our prorated share from 47.6% to 50%. That 2.4% gain (47.6% to 50%) was expected to net Delta pilots an additional 6-7 daily transatlantic flights.
Now we are in a position where the company won't even meet a written agreement that provided plenty of flexibility for unknowns, nearly 5 years after it was signed.
Sailing, you are somewhat of an authority here and I enjoy reading your posts and the treasure trove of information you provide. It's just that when it comes to the terms and the status of our Transatlantic JV your info isn't accurate.
Cheers
George
The update today clearly stated that they are out of compliance and not projected to be in compliance in no uncertain terms. It even had pretty pictures!
09-08-2014 | 05:40 PM
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Sailing, you keep saying that we are and will be in compliance but it's simply incorrect, repeating bad info doesn't make it so....
MEC update today shows the pertinent slides, showing us below 47% (not in compliance) and projecting us at 47% (also not in compliance) at the end of the cure period. Of course the MEC update also incorrectly states that the 2009 LOA 16 raised our share of flying from 47% to 50%, when if fact LOA 16 pegged our share of the JV flying at 51.7% (LOA 16 1.P.4). That would have required a minimum 49.95% on a 3-year look-back on March 30, 2011 and March 30, 2012 and a minimum of 50.2% on a 3-year look-back on March 30, 2013 and subsequent years.
In 2010, MOU 14 signed by SD and TO pushed the first measurement out to March 30, 2014 in exchange for increasing our prorated share from 47.6% to 50%. That 2.4% gain (47.6% to 50%) was expected to net Delta pilots an additional 6-7 daily transatlantic flights.
Now we are in a position where the company won't even meet a written agreement that provided plenty of flexibility for unknowns, nearly 5 years after it was signed.
Sailing, you are somewhat of an authority here and I enjoy reading your posts and the treasure trove of information you provide. It's just that when it comes to the terms and the status of our Transatlantic JV your info isn't accurate.
Cheers
George
MEC update today shows the pertinent slides, showing us below 47% (not in compliance) and projecting us at 47% (also not in compliance) at the end of the cure period. Of course the MEC update also incorrectly states that the 2009 LOA 16 raised our share of flying from 47% to 50%, when if fact LOA 16 pegged our share of the JV flying at 51.7% (LOA 16 1.P.4). That would have required a minimum 49.95% on a 3-year look-back on March 30, 2011 and March 30, 2012 and a minimum of 50.2% on a 3-year look-back on March 30, 2013 and subsequent years.
In 2010, MOU 14 signed by SD and TO pushed the first measurement out to March 30, 2014 in exchange for increasing our prorated share from 47.6% to 50%. That 2.4% gain (47.6% to 50%) was expected to net Delta pilots an additional 6-7 daily transatlantic flights.
Now we are in a position where the company won't even meet a written agreement that provided plenty of flexibility for unknowns, nearly 5 years after it was signed.
Sailing, you are somewhat of an authority here and I enjoy reading your posts and the treasure trove of information you provide. It's just that when it comes to the terms and the status of our Transatlantic JV your info isn't accurate.
Cheers
George
09-08-2014 | 05:50 PM
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09-08-2014 | 05:55 PM
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09-08-2014 | 05:57 PM
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09-08-2014 | 05:58 PM
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Sailing, you keep saying that we are and will be in compliance but it's simply incorrect, repeating bad info doesn't make it so....
MEC update today shows the pertinent slides, showing us below 47% (not in compliance) and projecting us at 47% (also not in compliance) at the end of the cure period. Of course the MEC update also incorrectly states that the 2009 LOA 16 raised our share of flying from 47% to 50%, when if fact LOA 16 pegged our share of the JV flying at 51.7% (LOA 16 1.P.4). That would have required a minimum 49.95% on a 3-year look-back on March 30, 2011 and March 30, 2012 and a minimum of 50.2% on a 3-year look-back on March 30, 2013 and subsequent years.
In 2010, MOU 14 signed by SD and TO pushed the first measurement out to March 30, 2014 in exchange for increasing our prorated share from 47.6% to 50%. That 2.4% gain (47.6% to 50%) was expected to net Delta pilots an additional 6-7 daily transatlantic flights.
Now we are in a position where the company won't even meet a written agreement that provided plenty of flexibility for unknowns, nearly 5 years after it was signed.
Sailing, you are somewhat of an authority here and I enjoy reading your posts and the treasure trove of information you provide. It's just that when it comes to the terms and the status of our Transatlantic JV your info isn't accurate.
Cheers
George
MEC update today shows the pertinent slides, showing us below 47% (not in compliance) and projecting us at 47% (also not in compliance) at the end of the cure period. Of course the MEC update also incorrectly states that the 2009 LOA 16 raised our share of flying from 47% to 50%, when if fact LOA 16 pegged our share of the JV flying at 51.7% (LOA 16 1.P.4). That would have required a minimum 49.95% on a 3-year look-back on March 30, 2011 and March 30, 2012 and a minimum of 50.2% on a 3-year look-back on March 30, 2013 and subsequent years.
In 2010, MOU 14 signed by SD and TO pushed the first measurement out to March 30, 2014 in exchange for increasing our prorated share from 47.6% to 50%. That 2.4% gain (47.6% to 50%) was expected to net Delta pilots an additional 6-7 daily transatlantic flights.
Now we are in a position where the company won't even meet a written agreement that provided plenty of flexibility for unknowns, nearly 5 years after it was signed.
Sailing, you are somewhat of an authority here and I enjoy reading your posts and the treasure trove of information you provide. It's just that when it comes to the terms and the status of our Transatlantic JV your info isn't accurate.
Cheers
George
I just got the same email you got. Well it does show a uptick in our flying for June I don't see how they will pick up a full percentage point for July and August to reach 48.5% so I agree that they will not be in compliance going forward. I don't believe we added any capacity in July above the June schedule. I doubt AF/KLM had a summer capacity reduction. They are pulling capacity this fall and winter so we may be in compliance then. KLM is parking all their MD11's by fall and AF is accelerating 747 retirements.
There is no way the company will be in compliance for the lookback and I expect the MEC to file a grievance next spring. I have never listed anything different then that. I agree what I posted about this summer was in error and they will fall about 1% short.
09-08-2014 | 06:02 PM
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I can't believe you put that there like I posted it! Totally changed the intent of my post........I'm gonna roll on the floor of the B concourse and throw a little tantrum right now. I love puppies..........really.
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09-08-2014 | 06:03 PM
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Sailing, you keep saying that we are and will be in compliance but it's simply incorrect, repeating bad info doesn't make it so....
MEC update today shows the pertinent slides, showing us below 47% (not in compliance) and projecting us at 47% (also not in compliance) at the end of the cure period. Of course the MEC update also incorrectly states that the 2009 LOA 16 raised our share of flying from 47% to 50%, when if fact LOA 16 pegged our share of the JV flying at 51.7% (LOA 16 1.P.4). That would have required a minimum 49.95% on a 3-year look-back on March 30, 2011 and March 30, 2012 and a minimum of 50.2% on a 3-year look-back on March 30, 2013 and subsequent years.
In 2010, MOU 14 signed by SD and TO pushed the first measurement out to March 30, 2014 in exchange for increasing our prorated share from 47.6% to 50%. That 2.4% gain (47.6% to 50%) was expected to net Delta pilots an additional 6-7 daily transatlantic flights.
Now we are in a position where the company won't even meet a written agreement that provided plenty of flexibility for unknowns, nearly 5 years after it was signed.
Sailing, you are somewhat of an authority here and I enjoy reading your posts and the treasure trove of information you provide. It's just that when it comes to the terms and the status of our Transatlantic JV your info isn't accurate.
Cheers
George
MEC update today shows the pertinent slides, showing us below 47% (not in compliance) and projecting us at 47% (also not in compliance) at the end of the cure period. Of course the MEC update also incorrectly states that the 2009 LOA 16 raised our share of flying from 47% to 50%, when if fact LOA 16 pegged our share of the JV flying at 51.7% (LOA 16 1.P.4). That would have required a minimum 49.95% on a 3-year look-back on March 30, 2011 and March 30, 2012 and a minimum of 50.2% on a 3-year look-back on March 30, 2013 and subsequent years.
In 2010, MOU 14 signed by SD and TO pushed the first measurement out to March 30, 2014 in exchange for increasing our prorated share from 47.6% to 50%. That 2.4% gain (47.6% to 50%) was expected to net Delta pilots an additional 6-7 daily transatlantic flights.
Now we are in a position where the company won't even meet a written agreement that provided plenty of flexibility for unknowns, nearly 5 years after it was signed.
Sailing, you are somewhat of an authority here and I enjoy reading your posts and the treasure trove of information you provide. It's just that when it comes to the terms and the status of our Transatlantic JV your info isn't accurate.
Cheers
George
I just got the same email you got. Well it does show a uptick in our flying for June I don't see how they will pick up a 1.5 percentage point for July and August to reach 48.5% so I agree that they will not be in compliance going forward. I don't believe we added any capacity in July above the June schedule. I doubt AF/KLM had a summer capacity reduction. They are pulling capacity this fall and winter so we may be in compliance then. KLM is parking all their MD11's by fall and AF is accelerating 747 retirements. Edit: reread the email I and it does not show based on fleet plans they will be in compliance in the winter.
There is no way the company will be in compliance for the lookback and I expect the MEC to file a grievance next spring. I have never listed anything different then that. I agree what I posted about this summer was in error and they will fall about 1.5% short.
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