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Old 09-16-2014 | 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by SabreDriver
Actually, the FO will do it all from the right seat, and they skip their "first look" maneuvers. It is basically transparent to the 601 event.


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I just did mine last week from the left seat in the 320 after the LOE/SPOT training.

No big deal, but FO's should make sure you log onto the FAA IACRA site, get your FCN/password and complete the application or else you'll be stuck for a good 30 mins trying to get your temporary certificate approved and printed. I had my password/FPN, but the app took a while before the APD could sign me off. Could be a factor if you're trying to make the early flight home.

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Old 09-16-2014 | 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Many items in a contract would not be wanted by the majority if put to a vote on a item by item basis.
This is precisely why I believe that the survey is a bad thing in the long run. The way I will be proven wrong on this is if there is a huge turnout on them... like say 85% or more. If not, it will be statistically detrimental to use it as THE basis for negotiations because it will be the vocal minority that will set the tone.

A scientific poll will be much more accurate.

That being said, I will still finish the poll

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Old 09-16-2014 | 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
CDOs have no place in major airline ops. They are onerous at best. And if allowed, will have a ripple effect throughout the bid packages as trips are changed to allow for the CDOs. We need to protect what we have, for example; Some people want to sell their vacations... should we permit that? Just for those who want to? Would it affect others?

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Old 09-16-2014 | 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
We had a 50% vacation sell back in our 1996 contract, and the senior guys sold it back, stagnating the movement of the junior guys.

There was much outcry, so we got rid of it in C2K.

But what we have today with PBS 100% vacation sell back! In every vacation month, after the bid run your vacation time goes away (off your max pickup), so you can white slip a trip to 'replace' 100% of your vacation time, in effect, you just sold it all back.

If you want to hear the company (and many pilots) really scream, just tell them you want to eliminate that feature in C2015!
And guys doing that want to work harder, not smarter. Next month ALV in my category is 74 and change. I have 2 weeks (13 days) vacation and CQ. I will get 87+ hours and be on call for 7. (I will be off for 21 days)

Or, I could have bid a regular line and worked a lot harder for that extra 13 hours.....
Old 09-16-2014 | 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by SabreDriver
Actually, the FO will do it all from the right seat, and they skip their "first look" maneuvers. It is basically transparent to the 601 event.


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I did mine from the left seat. Maybe it's changed.
Old 09-16-2014 | 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
We had a 50% vacation sell back in our 1996 contract, and the senior guys sold it back, stagnating the movement of the junior guys.

There was much outcry, so we got rid of it in C2K.

But what we have today with PBS 100% vacation sell back! In every vacation month, after the bid run your vacation time goes away (off your max pickup), so you can white slip a trip to 'replace' 100% of your vacation time, in effect, you just sold it all back.
You are absolutely correct. It's amazing the number of pilots that don't understand this is the net effect, i.e. selling back vacation.

In fact, as you pointed out, every pilot effectively has the "option" of selling back 100% of his vacation---the net effect on manning is MUCH, MUCH worse than when pilots could sell only 50% back.
Old 09-16-2014 | 09:15 AM
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88 FOs do SIC removal from right seat. Low pressure, exercise for paperwork to be done. Seat swap not required.
Old 09-16-2014 | 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
CDOs have no place in major airline ops. They are onerous at best. And if allowed, will have a ripple effect throughout the bid packages as trips are changed to allow for the CDOs. We need to protect what we have, for example; Some people want to sell their vacations... should we permit that? Just for those who want to? Would it affect others?
Why just major airline operations?

How is it less safe for us to fly CDO's when they're accepted across our ramp?

CDO's exist because we permit Delta to outsource our flying and those pilots have agreed to do them.

If we fix our scope hypocrisy, killing CDO's would not even be a question.
Old 09-16-2014 | 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Why just major airline operations?

How is it less safe for us to fly CDO's when they're accepted across our ramp?
Ummm... because we don't currently fly CDO's. Duh. It's like my mother used to say... "Just because all the other kids jump off a cliff, are you going to?" Just because regional airlines (who's primary objective in this grand outsourcing experiment is to have the lowest cost possible) do CDO's doesn't in any way mean we should.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
CDO's exist because we permit Delta to outsource our flying and those pilots have agreed to do them.
Wrong. CDO's existed long before Delta started outsourcing our flying. They were invented by the regionals a long time ago as a way to get around the FAR minimum rest requirements. How do you think they came to be known as "illegals?"

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
If we fix our scope hypocrisy, killing CDO's would not even be a question.
CDO's are simply a way for the company to solve some scheduling/cost issues and a way for some pilots to enjoy every day at home (and rationalize getting by on the few hours of sleep on the CDO) so they can run a side business or spend time with family, etc.

I'm all for fixing our "scope hypocrisy" but this particular issue has very little to do with scope.
Old 09-16-2014 | 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
Motion passes! All those in favor...? [Raises hand]
What's the over / under that it still ends up in C2015?
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