Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
No big deal, but FO's should make sure you log onto the FAA IACRA site, get your FCN/password and complete the application or else you'll be stuck for a good 30 mins trying to get your temporary certificate approved and printed. I had my password/FPN, but the app took a while before the APD could sign me off. Could be a factor if you're trying to make the early flight home.
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A scientific poll will be much more accurate.
That being said, I will still finish the poll
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CDOs have no place in major airline ops. They are onerous at best. And if allowed, will have a ripple effect throughout the bid packages as trips are changed to allow for the CDOs. We need to protect what we have, for example; Some people want to sell their vacations... should we permit that? Just for those who want to? Would it affect others?
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We had a 50% vacation sell back in our 1996 contract, and the senior guys sold it back, stagnating the movement of the junior guys.
There was much outcry, so we got rid of it in C2K.
But what we have today with PBS 100% vacation sell back! In every vacation month, after the bid run your vacation time goes away (off your max pickup), so you can white slip a trip to 'replace' 100% of your vacation time, in effect, you just sold it all back.
If you want to hear the company (and many pilots) really scream, just tell them you want to eliminate that feature in C2015!
There was much outcry, so we got rid of it in C2K.
But what we have today with PBS 100% vacation sell back! In every vacation month, after the bid run your vacation time goes away (off your max pickup), so you can white slip a trip to 'replace' 100% of your vacation time, in effect, you just sold it all back.

If you want to hear the company (and many pilots) really scream, just tell them you want to eliminate that feature in C2015!

Or, I could have bid a regular line and worked a lot harder for that extra 13 hours.....
We had a 50% vacation sell back in our 1996 contract, and the senior guys sold it back, stagnating the movement of the junior guys.
There was much outcry, so we got rid of it in C2K.
But what we have today with PBS 100% vacation sell back! In every vacation month, after the bid run your vacation time goes away (off your max pickup), so you can white slip a trip to 'replace' 100% of your vacation time, in effect, you just sold it all back.
There was much outcry, so we got rid of it in C2K.
But what we have today with PBS 100% vacation sell back! In every vacation month, after the bid run your vacation time goes away (off your max pickup), so you can white slip a trip to 'replace' 100% of your vacation time, in effect, you just sold it all back.

In fact, as you pointed out, every pilot effectively has the "option" of selling back 100% of his vacation---the net effect on manning is MUCH, MUCH worse than when pilots could sell only 50% back.
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CDOs have no place in major airline ops. They are onerous at best. And if allowed, will have a ripple effect throughout the bid packages as trips are changed to allow for the CDOs. We need to protect what we have, for example; Some people want to sell their vacations... should we permit that? Just for those who want to? Would it affect others?
How is it less safe for us to fly CDO's when they're accepted across our ramp?
CDO's exist because we permit Delta to outsource our flying and those pilots have agreed to do them.
If we fix our scope hypocrisy, killing CDO's would not even be a question.

I'm all for fixing our "scope hypocrisy" but this particular issue has very little to do with scope.
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