Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
10-04-2014, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
That's what the survey is for.
10-04-2014, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
Says another guy who won't be flying them....
Love ya T!
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Have fun, t! (the 757 has done plenty of CDOs in the past at NW)
10-04-2014, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
That's what the survey is for.
10-04-2014, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
You guys are like a bunch of old women on the CDO thing. I realize it's part of a anti ALPA rhetoric to keep bringing them up but here is the simple truth. The company can take them or leave them. They are not pushing for them. CDO's originated with the pilot group. If the contract survey shows they are not wanted that will be the end of the story. Find something new to whine about. If you're concerned about them then get your survey filled out.
The CDO issue popping up again here is probably an indication the survey is being completed and pilots would like to discuss the topic. Three or four 250 word blocks on the survey may not have been enough for everyone.
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10-04-2014, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by RetiredFTS
So being against CDO's is anti-ALPA?
The only thing going on contract wise is the survey. It closes in less then a hour.
10-04-2014, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
Me too! And if the contract gets passed and I end up getting assigned to fly one, one of two things will happen:
1 - I will find some way to get out of the trip and some other poor sucker will have to fly it.
2 - If I end up getting stuck with the trip, I will be calling in fatigued for the morning flight. I will not sign a release certifying I'm fit to conduct a flight when I'm fatigued. That is illegal and irresponsible.
1 - I will find some way to get out of the trip and some other poor sucker will have to fly it.
2 - If I end up getting stuck with the trip, I will be calling in fatigued for the morning flight. I will not sign a release certifying I'm fit to conduct a flight when I'm fatigued. That is illegal and irresponsible.
What is NOT an option is for anyone to fly that morning leg fatigued. If you do and have a mishap, you will not be able to use fatigue as an excuse. Delta will not be fighting for you because you tried to make the operation work. The FAA, NTSB, and Delta will only wonder why you flew fatigued. If the FAA takes certificate action against you, not even ALPA lawyers
will be able to help you.Always remember that you don't have a paycheck at Delta without a pilot's license.
Carl
10-04-2014, 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Beating a dead horse into mush gets old. We have contrary to all the rumors here not engaged the company at any level about contract 15. There have at this point been no discussion of opening early. There have been no discussions of CDO's, pay banding, reducing sick leave, mandatory upgrades ect....
The only thing going on contract wise is the survey. It closes in less then a hour.
The only thing going on contract wise is the survey. It closes in less then a hour.
10-04-2014, 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Beating a dead horse into mush gets old. We have contrary to all the rumors here not engaged the company at any level about contract 15. There have at this point been no discussion of opening early. There have been no discussions of CDO's, pay banding, reducing sick leave, mandatory upgrades ect....
The only thing going on contract wise is the survey. It closes in less then a hour.
The only thing going on contract wise is the survey. It closes in less then a hour.
Interesting that every topic you mentioned is a concession. You could easily have said there have been no discussions of increased pay rates and DC contributions and profit sharing, better vacation, improved scope language, better reserve rules.
10-04-2014, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
Trainer Facility: I recently heard that DAL currently has a 14 cent/gallon advantage over our rivals on jet fuel. This surprised me because I always heard that Trainer helps our rivals as much as us.
Anyway, with a potential savings of 1B/year due to lower debt servicing costs and a 14 cent/gallon fuel cost advantage I don't see any reason why we (DALPA) should not go for the long ball on C-2015.
Yes, we all know the value of consistent singles and doubles but it is time to go Deep!
Scoop
Oh yeah, I almost forgot - Just say no to the CDO!
Anyway, with a potential savings of 1B/year due to lower debt servicing costs and a 14 cent/gallon fuel cost advantage I don't see any reason why we (DALPA) should not go for the long ball on C-2015.
Yes, we all know the value of consistent singles and doubles but it is time to go Deep!
Scoop
Oh yeah, I almost forgot - Just say no to the CDO!
Carl
10-04-2014, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy
So let me get this straight. During the 117 negotiation we came to an agreement for 5:15 per day. ALPA decided that was too good so to "offset" the cost to the company ALPA decides to introduce them into the deal. The company never wanted them and wasn't the party that introduced them?
So far I've heard of NOBODY that wants them so to say they originated with the pilot group is hard for me to believe. Now that we've been talking about them I know there are a few guys that wouldn't mind them, but before the 117 thing I'll bet there were less than a dozen guys out of 12,000 that asked the reps to bring us CDO's.
After C2012 I have no faith that what we put in the survey will actually steer the NC. If 95% of us say no in the survey they will still show up in a TA.
So far I've heard of NOBODY that wants them so to say they originated with the pilot group is hard for me to believe. Now that we've been talking about them I know there are a few guys that wouldn't mind them, but before the 117 thing I'll bet there were less than a dozen guys out of 12,000 that asked the reps to bring us CDO's.
After C2012 I have no faith that what we put in the survey will actually steer the NC. If 95% of us say no in the survey they will still show up in a TA.
It could be 100% NO on the survey and they'll still end up in the TA2015 because we'll never see the survey results. DALPA could simply say: "We followed the survey...the results of which we can never show you."
Bottom line is to remember who signs the release, and no pilot's license equals no pay.
Carl
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