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Roadkill 10-10-2014 04:19 PM

Well, no movement for me from AE. Didn't fully analyze what all didn't get backfilled... Taking just Crew Resources "won't backfill" words from their last newsletter and the AE, I'd say that lack of upwards movement happened due to, just like they said, not backfilling.

In my cat, of the 25 positions posted during the last 2 AEs, they only actually filled 6 of them, leaving 21 unfilled spots. So I'm not even moving "up" due to guys flowing into cat below me, increasing the cat.

Bummer, was hoping for at least moving up a single person.

HOWEVER, look at that NYC717A! The 2 junior guys were a 3/13/2000 pre-NW guy, (next pre-merge south guy below or above him is 6/4/2001), and a 6/4/2001 guy. They're not really statistical flyers either, as NYC88A goes almost that low, and they're near enough the other guys above them on the NYC717A list. So, it's fair to say that, if a guy has the ABILITY TO MOVE TO NYC and sit reserve, he could be a Capt from 6/4/2001 hire and older.

However, the exact same guys in LAX, SLC, and SEA can barely hold a line on NB FO, and are all sitting right about the lineholder/reserve demarcation. So this may actually just tell us more about how heinous NYC is as an assignment thus forcing waaaaaay juniority, rather than that things are improving for the 2000/2001 guys. Since I'm locked into a location/family situation/backupjob/city/upside-down-mortgage due to 6 years of furlough and what I had to do to survive, and can't actually move to NYC, I'm gonna say this is an indicator of suckiness for NYC.

tsquare 10-10-2014 04:25 PM


Originally Posted by Big E 757 (Post 1743869)

Now cue TSquare asking me how I would have done better and asking me my plan for raises/restoration going forward.

I say we just ask for everything we gave up before and during BK. No raise, just give us what we gave up. Adjusted for inflation, of course. And we will keep any other improved areas of our contract and we can call that the juice on the loan

That's great. We ask for it. How long will you be willing to wait to achieve that? Hypothetically, if the company says no that is. How long would be an acceptable waiting period to achieve those goals? I am not being argumentative here. I want to see the math on the time at which it will not be worth waiting.

TeddyKGB 10-10-2014 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by Roadkill (Post 1743980)
Well, no movement for me from AE. Didn't fully analyze what all didn't get backfilled... Taking just Crew Resources "won't backfill" words from their last newsletter and the AE, I'd say that lack of upwards movement happened due to, just like they said, not backfilling.

In my cat, of the 25 positions posted during the last 2 AEs, they only actually filled 6 of them, leaving 21 unfilled spots. So I'm not even moving "up" due to guys flowing into cat below me, increasing the cat.

Bummer, was hoping for at least moving up a single person.

HOWEVER, look at that NYC717A! The 2 junior guys were a 3/13/2000 pre-NW guy, (next pre-merge south guy below or above him is 6/4/2001), and a 6/4/2001 guy. They're not really statistical flyers either, as NYC88A goes almost that low, and they're near enough the other guys above them on the NYC717A list. So, it's fair to say that, if a guy has the ABILITY TO MOVE TO NYC and sit reserve, he could be a Capt from 6/4/2001 hire and older.

However, the exact same guys in LAX, SLC, and SEA can barely hold a line on NB FO, and are all sitting right about the lineholder/reserve demarcation. So this may actually just tell us more about how heinous NYC is as an assignment thus forcing waaaaaay juniority, rather than that things are improving for the 2000/2001 guys. Since I'm locked into a location/family situation/backupjob/city/upside-down-mortgage due to 6 years of furlough and what I had to do to survive, and can't actually move to NYC, I'm gonna say this is an indicator of suckiness for NYC.

I only looked at the 7ER movement. Only 7/90 NYC ER slots were bid so 83 will go to new hires. 10 MSP 7ERB's bid off and all spots were backfilled. Crew resources said they had no plan to backfill MSP or DTW 7ERB's so go figure. I'm looking forward to 83 more FO's below me in NYC ! :D

Roadkill 10-10-2014 04:27 PM

Ok, question on pay tables...
If I'm in 14 year FO pay (greater than 12), and say I upgrade to 717 capt in a couple months... do I get 1 year Capt pay from the tables, or 12 year capt pay? I'm thinking 12 year?

tsquare 10-10-2014 04:28 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1743958)
ISIS is 8 miles away from taking Baghdad Airport. That's going well.

Hopey Changey. Congrats to all who elected him.

tsquare 10-10-2014 04:28 PM


Originally Posted by Roadkill (Post 1743986)
Ok, question on pay tables...
If I'm in 14 year FO pay (greater than 12), and say I upgrade to 717 capt in a couple months... do I get 1 year Capt pay from the tables, or 12 year capt pay? I'm thinking 12 year?

Yes... 12 year. The only pay increases you will get from then on will be for bigger airplanes :rolleyes: or contractual pay increases.

GogglesPisano 10-10-2014 04:38 PM

NOVA analyzes the Malaysia 370 mystery. Excellent job.

Pay close attention to the EE compartment access.

Video: Why Planes Vanish | Watch NOVA Online | PBS Video

They had a great segment on AF 447 a few years back as well.

bohicagain 10-10-2014 05:43 PM


Originally Posted by Jughead135 (Post 1743746)
I wondered the same thing. An ATLM88B in the 12000s also got an ATL73NB.... I was trying to figure out the displacement angle, but the award specifically states no displacements....



Ahhhh....!

Does the fact that these two guys have likely not finished (perhaps not even started?) training play into it?

I saw that earlier but went back and it looks like they updated the results because they are no longer showing

acl65pilot 10-10-2014 06:04 PM


Originally Posted by bohicagain (Post 1744018)
I saw that earlier but went back and it looks like they updated the results because they are no longer showing

There were two new hires whose one year freeze was not in the system when the AE was processed. It was corrected as soon as the award was published.

sailingfun 10-10-2014 06:05 PM

[QUOTE=Roadkill;1743980]Well, no movement for me from AE. Didn't fully analyze what all didn't get backfilled... Taking just Crew Resources "won't backfill" words from their last newsletter and the AE, I'd say that lack of upwards movement happened due to, just like they said, not backfilling.

In my cat, of the 25 positions posted during the last 2 AEs, they only actually filled 6 of them, leaving 21 unfilled spots. So I'm not even moving "up" due to guys flowing into cat below me, increasing the cat.

The 21 unfilled slots will most likely be awarded to new hires.


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