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Check Essential 01-03-2015 09:56 AM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1794182)
Well here's the first bullet point in the first email from the new ALPA president:

Inadequate pay and benefits in the fee-for-departure segment of the industry.

Since there is no mention of inadequate pay and benefits at the majors, once again we see that ALPA national thinks the pay and benefits for major pilots is currently adequate. Perfectly in keeping with Moak's previous statement about our mature contracts and big changes not being "in the cards."

Carl

That letter from our new President indicates to me that the transformation is complete.

Even more telling than the sentence you quote is this one:

"In many ways, traditional unionism doesn't work for us."

Dave Behncke just rolled over in his grave.

ALPA is now in complete partnership with management. Moakism is here.

I have serious reservations about the wisdom of going down this path but the membership has clearly endorsed it.
Maybe it will work. We've been really cooperative and given management pretty much everything they've asked for over the last few years. Hopefully they will see fit to reward us with a few contract enhancements.

What I'm wondering though, is why this new age labor/management paradigm should still cost 1.9% of my pay? It seems like we should be able to make some cutbacks to all the negotiating budgets and grievance staffing and strike preparations and contingency funds and a lot of other stuff.

Timbo 01-03-2015 10:18 AM

Thanks for the You Tube game links FTB, I owe you a 12 pack of Torpedo for that! Since my Patsies have the weekend off, I'll be watching Jamis pay for his sins, and Bama pay for...well...just for being Bama!

Hey Nick, got a second?? ;^)

Timbo 01-03-2015 10:22 AM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1794912)
That letter from our new President indicates to me that the transformation is complete.

Even more telling than the sentence you quote is this one:

"In many ways, traditional unionism doesn't work for us."

Dave Behncke just rolled over in his grave.

ALPA is now in complete partnership with management. Moakism is here.

I have serious reservations about the wisdom of going down this path but the membership has clearly endorsed it.
Maybe it will work. We've been really cooperative and given management pretty much everything they've asked for over the last few years. Hopefully they will see fit to reward us with a few contract enhancements.

What I'm wondering though, is why this new age labor/management paradigm should still cost 1.9% of my pay? It seems like we should be able to make some cutbacks to all the negotiating budgets and grievance staffing and strike preparations and contingency funds and a lot of other stuff.

The only way I can make any sense out of this 'new labor relationship' is if National is so afraid of our politicians allowing cabotage, NAI, Emirates into more major US Cities, etc. they have promised both the A4A and the wh0res who vote in all the new laws up in DC, that there will be NO work stoppages anytime in the near future, over contract disputes, etc. :rolleyes:

"Thank you sir, may I have another" seems to be their battle cry.

RetiredFTS 01-03-2015 10:27 AM

Can someone point me in the direction on where to bid CQ Golden X days? I'm sure I will be asking again in September.

hammer189 01-03-2015 11:24 AM

icrew under bids tab.

Carl Spackler 01-03-2015 11:32 AM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1794912)
That letter from our new President indicates to me that the transformation is complete.

Even more telling than the sentence you quote is this one:

"In many ways, traditional unionism doesn't work for us."

Dave Behncke just rolled over in his grave.

ALPA is now in complete partnership with management. Moakism is here.

I have serious reservations about the wisdom of going down this path but the membership has clearly endorsed it.
Maybe it will work. We've been really cooperative and given management pretty much everything they've asked for over the last few years. Hopefully they will see fit to reward us with a few contract enhancements.

What I'm wondering though, is why this new age labor/management paradigm should still cost 1.9% of my pay? It seems like we should be able to make some cutbacks to all the negotiating budgets and grievance staffing and strike preparations and contingency funds and a lot of other stuff.

You're exactly right, but part of ALPA national's new vision is to convince you that you need them and all of their "support" staff as insurance against management. The very managements that now own ALPA lock, stock and barrel.

But as you correctly say, a majority of Delta pilots want it this way.

Carl

Scoop 01-03-2015 11:42 AM


Originally Posted by daldude (Post 1794548)
Shame they are reducing the size of the SLC 737 base. Did not see that one coming based on the past few AE's.


I wouldn't come to that conclusion based on this bid. We are flat our of 737 Simulator time - to the point where I get to enjoy an "E" period in February.:mad:

If the company can get CVG ( doubtful) and SLC (much more likely) to bid into SEA than that will help them man the base faster with less training.

New hires can and probably will backfill at least SLC - I have no idea about CVG.

Keep in mind we are going to receive around 50 more 737 900's. All of that flying has to go somewhere. And if CVG is slowly reduced through attrition then that would make it even harder to reduce SLC.

Scoop - Just my 2 cents subject to change from when I started typing this 2 minutes ago. :)

RockyBoy 01-03-2015 11:56 AM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1794963)
I wouldn't come to that conclusion based on this bid. We are flat our of 737 Simulator time - to the point where I get to enjoy an "E" period in February.:mad:

If the company can get CVG ( doubtful) and SLC (much more likely) to bid into SEA than that will help them man the base faster with less training.

New hires can and probably will backfill at least SLC - I have no idea about CVG.

Keep in mind we are going to receive around 50 more 737 900's. All of that flying has to go somewhere. And if CVG is slowly reduced through attrition then that would make it even harder to reduce SLC.

Scoop - Just my 2 cents subject to change from when I started typing this 2 minutes ago. :)

So if a SLC or CVG 73N guy bids into SEA 73N they will award a contingent vacancy because of that. What if a SLC or CVG 73N guy bids into something other than SEA 73N? Will they still award a contingent vacancy in SEA for that person that bids out of SEA or SLC or do they have to bid into the SEA category?

Denny Crane 01-03-2015 12:36 PM


Originally Posted by RockyBoy (Post 1794974)
So if a SLC or CVG 73N guy bids into SEA 73N they will award a contingent vacancy because of that. What if a SLC or CVG 73N guy bids into something other than SEA 73N? Will they still award a contingent vacancy in SEA for that person that bids out of SEA or SLC or do they have to bid into the SEA category?

The way I read the memo is there are enough 737A's system wide but they are not in the right bases. If one bids out of SLC or CVG, that position will now go to SEA to whomever can hold it. It doesn't matter what the pilot who's bidding out of the category goes to, just that they are bidding out is all that is needed.

Denny

Scoop 01-03-2015 12:43 PM


Originally Posted by RockyBoy (Post 1794974)
So if a SLC or CVG 73N guy bids into SEA 73N they will award a contingent vacancy because of that. What if a SLC or CVG 73N guy bids into something other than SEA 73N? Will they still award a contingent vacancy in SEA for that person that bids out of SEA or SLC or do they have to bid into the SEA category?


I have no idea - this is all new to me. I think it has something to do with where the Choo CHoo will go. Scoop just pawn in game of life. :D

Denny's explanation above makes sense as far as total bodies go but does not help with the training pipeline.

Hopefully, if someone has called crew resources and gotten a solid answer they will post it but it seems to me most (me included) are just giving it our best guess.

I imagine that they will come out with some amplifying explanation next week.

Scoop


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