Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1753713)

The rules are different, the contract is the same. Frms and 14 hour legs change who is useable and when you can be called and used. Until you apply the rest and duty rules that apply to me, you can't say I am wrong. I recanted on what I said to brocc. But if there was an under 12 call out for a joberg, it is a greenslip, not double pay for the 1st day, a greenslip.

I'm not perfect, but domestic short leg rules don't apply in my world so yeah I'm out of touch with them. No deflection.

Originally Posted by iceman49 (Post 1753755)

Originally Posted by cni187 (Post 1753837)

When is enough, enough?



This might get me tossed off of here but oh well.

Originally Posted by casual observer (Post 1754096)

Did it. Super easy. Agreed, this is a huge threat to our futures. Thank you.

Originally Posted by BB

All those who want to be hired at any US carrier should actively participate in keeping the pressure on the US DOT to deny Norwegian's operating certificate. Reporting from inside the beltway types acknowledge that if Certificate of Convenience schemes are allowed it would likely be the beginning of the end for US Certificated Carriers as they currently exist.

Norwegian, as currently designed, is managed from Ireland using temporary staffing from an agency based in the city-state of Singapore. It is structured this was so as to enjoy EU open skies while avoiding compliance with EU labor law.

It is no coincidence that Norwegian's model follows that of the cruise ship industry ... which avoids safety oversight and employes nearly no US citizens.

Of course, NAI is putting the screws to Boeing by tying US Certification with a 20 jet 787 order. Boeing has probably the largest and most effective lobbying force on Capital Hill.

The US DOT should NOT approve Norwegian's Certificate. Art. 17 of the US-EU Air Transport Agreement - "the parties shall not subvert labour standards and circumvent labour laws" ... yet that is exactly what NAI is trying to accomplish.

If you are an ALPA member, please sign on and participate in our "Call to Action." If you are a pilot wanting to work somewhere other than Singapore, write your Representative. Here is a letter if you are at a loss for words:

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I urge you to contact the White House in opposition to Norwegian Air International’s application to operate to the U.S. as a foreign air carrier. As you may know, DOT dismissed NAI’s exemption application to fly to the U.S. without a foreign air carrier permit. I applaud this decision and the fact that the U.S. House of Representatives unanimously passed an amendment to the FY 2015 Transportation Appropriations bill to prohibit DOT from approving any foreign air carrier permit that runs afoul of U.S. law and provisions of the U.S.-EU Open Skies agreement. However, we must put an end to this proposal once and for all. I respectfully ask that you contact DOT and the White House to outright Deny NAI. My job depends on it.

As you know, last December, a Norwegian airline set up a subsidiary called Norwegian Air International (NAI) in Ireland and applied for a foreign air carrier permit to fly to the U.S. It purports to be an Irish airline, yet NAI is owned and controlled by Norwegian citizens. NAI intends to operate as an Irish air carrier, even though it does not plan to operate any flights to or from Ireland. Furthermore, NAI plans to hire much of its workforce through a recruitment firm based in Singapore, which is not a party to the U.S.-EU Open Skies agreement. This new business venture is designed explicitly to lower its costs, but the real cost will be U.S. jobs.

The Open Skies agreement between the EU and the U.S., to which Norway is a party, includes a provision which specifically prohibits European airlines from moving from one country to another in order to take advantage of lower labor standards (Article 17 bis). Yet that is precisely what NAI is attempting to do.

Additionally, there are significant safety issues inherent in NAI’s new business model. This unprecedented arrangement raises critical questions regarding the Irish Aviation Authority’s ability to provide safety and regulatory oversight of NAI, including its maintenance, training, and operations. This ambiguous arrangement should be thoroughly addressed before any decision is made on NAI’s pending application.

The scheme set up by NAI threatens the U.S. airline industry’s future viability and U.S. airline jobs—including mine. I urge you to stand up for U.S. airline workers and ask the Administration to Deny NAI.

Thank you very much.

Originally Posted by DogWhisperer (Post 1753955)

That's not true...I will be happy to debate this with you and you will lose. I had a multiple day jury duty mailed and received after scheduled posted...it was for duty in less than three weeks. Alerted the CPSC and was told to bring it in next time through and no big deal...missed the opportunity to get it to the office and the next trip through but did the following time. Was contacted by the CPO and asked when did I receive the notice and why did I not bid around it? After being scolded on the topic, I informed him of the post mark and reception period...crawfishing ensued and was told that they would "consider it"...when contacting them the next week in regard to whether or not I was going to be covered, I was told that two of my four day trip was PD'd and that they were not going to pay me. When I asked about being covered if chosen for jury duty, I was told that I WOULD be covered due to it being a situation out of my control. I spoke with DALPA folks on the phone and was told that this was a NEW part of the contract. To my own fault, I discovered an article in either the ROAR or WIDGET that spoke of this change. The point of my diatribe is to let other folks know that you better get the notification in ASAP...the sooner the better. The CPO is NOT looking out for pilots ALL THE TIME...

Originally Posted by DogWhisperer (Post 1753939)

On another note...anyone ever get a training memory stick without and information on it? I have one that I've tried on two separate computers, one PC and one Apple, and cannot see any files on the stick...just another in the list of trials that I am encountering changing aircraft....its like I'm stuck in a Mad Dog Vortex!!!

Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1753757)

Done! Took about 10 seconds.

Everyone needs to sign this...NOW!

Thanks for the link Iceman!