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Originally Posted by Herkflyr
(Post 1866737)
NO vote regardless of anything? You sound like the 9/11 "nothing you say will change my mind" conspiracy theorists.
Vote NO if the TA sucks, by all means. But just knee - jerk "I'm voting No!" reminds me of the leftist "I'm already against the next war" bumper stickers. Nothing knee jerk about it. Actually, well thought out. |
Originally Posted by JungleBus
(Post 1866731)
Yeah, I guess the question is why choose to reiterate it at this point in time. By itself it's fairly innocent, but combined with the chitchat leak it looks ominous.
What happened? MD was purported to be an agressive laborist who wouldn't put up with managment's nonsense. The line pilot has seen zero leadership chops from him. He has presided over some fantastic boondoggles on our dime, though. |
Originally Posted by Schwanker
(Post 1866740)
Hey if it's good, it won't matter. 63% will vote for something less than I believe we should settle for. IMO of course.
Nothing knee jerk about it. Actually, well thought out. I just want folks to actually reference specific TA language to warrant their vote, rather than "just because." |
Originally Posted by Purple Drank
(Post 1866730)
To be fair, that same 10-point plan for epic failure was published by DALPA a few months ago too, and discussed on the C15 thread.
I thought nothing of it. I didn't expect the NMB's pro-management agenda to become Donatelli's words to live by and our MEC's policy. It is astounding to me that they would exhibit such glaring weakness right now and put out a communique emphasizing the wisdom of capitulation and rationalizing why they will have to accept whatever management is willing to give. At this point in negotiations they should be pounding the table, not bending over it. I hope this is all just a communications gaffe. If not, we're in deep trouble. |
Originally Posted by Xray678
(Post 1866522)
To be fair, everyone did get another five years. But, you got five more years as a 747 captain. many pilots got five more years as a 88 FO.
Big difference Many pilots got five more years as a RJ FO. 88FO = rich people problems. I know, not your problem. But "let them eat cake" has a way of circling its way back to the ruling class in ways they don't like. |
Originally Posted by Check Essential
(Post 1866773)
Yes, I remember when they published Puchala and Crable's talking points.
I thought nothing of it. I didn't expect the NMB's pro-management agenda to become Donatelli's words to live by and our MEC's policy. It is astounding to me that they would exhibit such glaring weakness right now and put out a communique emphasizing the wisdom of capitulation and rationalizing why they will have to accept whatever management is willing to give. At this point in negotiations they should be pounding the table, not bending over it. I hope this is all just a communications gaffe. If not, we're in deep trouble. Where was SHE when Sleepy Ed was standing in front of a bankruptcy Judge, saying he was losing sleep, wondering if he hadn't taken enough from the Delta Pilots? How much money does Delta have to make, and how much money does Management have to be paid, before SHE decides we are DUE to be REPAID for OUR INVESTMENT in Delta Air Lines? Who died and left her in charge of deciding Airline Pilot Pay and Benefits? :rolleyes: |
Learn to say Yes! Straight from MD.
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
(Post 1866704)
My jaw just about hit the floor when I read the "Update" put out by the MEC from their Special Meeting. The "develop the ability to say yes" piece.
It sounded like we've already surrendered and they are starting to prepare the pilots for the bad news. That was possibly the most horrible and demoralizing thing any union could have published at this point in a contract cycle. But then I told myself, "Self. This can't be what it sounds like. Its way too early. They just need to fire the Communications guy. That can't be the real tone of the meeting." Now this leak of the specifics they've been discussing at that meeting. Oh no. C2012 deja vu. 4833 and all the other concessions started with a leak exactly like this. This is bad. This is real bad. Based upon what we have seen so far, the train has jumped the tracks....expect a full court press sales job to follow. It's really too bad. We all want a union/leadership we can trust and look to for honest representation. What we have instead is that feeling you get when approached by a used car salesman. |
Originally Posted by Leroy Smith
(Post 1866783)
Many pilots got five more years as a RJ FO.
88FO = rich people problems. I know, not your problem. But "let them eat cake" has a way of circling its way back to the ruling class in ways they don't like. I guess you are not counting the '88 FOs who were furloughed for years while thousands of RJ Pilots were being hired. No need to single out any group - we all got hosed. Scoop |
Originally Posted by Timbo
(Post 1866793)
Who died and left her in charge of deciding Airline Pilot Pay and Benefits? :rolleyes:
Carl |
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