Fwiw. Had a management pilot on the JS last week who insinuated("double top secret, can't tell details from recent pilot management meeting") that sick leave has to be dealt with(we use more than peers and is unsustainable), profit sharing is too much(for wall street) and should be monetized now(of course at a value management deems fair), etc. I get the vibe that there are some that have not only bought into ch11 was a permanent reset, but we are almost there again.

Sailin, I can care less if they park all 747's yesterday. What I do have major issue with (and apparently you don't) is the fact that NONE of our highest paid positions are getting replaced by new ones. Pretty soon we'll be down to 18 777's and that's it. Since the merger our widebody flying has shrunk and in 2018 at the earliest will we have the same amount of wide body equipment (at 350/330 pay)!!! We all know that before 2018 a lot can happen and I predict more widebodies (767's) heading for the parking lot in Arizona.

Because a bank system of sick leave(if we go this route) takes money out of your bank account to pay for any sick calls you make. That means money in your bank comes out to pay for your sick usage which is a huge concession to what we have now. It will also encourage more guys to fly sick. You know the ones who say "I'm not sick, it is allergies."

It is amazing that our executives can continually come up with "must have" pilot concessions even during profits no one ever imagined. Profits that were born from billions and billions in pilot concessions.

Our execs are up over 700% and counting since chapter 11. As our stock rises they make millions and millions more, but it is not enough. They need to further gut our profession. They need to eliminate the few good items we have left after the rape.

Sick leave, profit sharing, training and more . Unbelievable.

That's really not unbelievable to me. What's unbelievable is our "union" aiding management in that effort by carefully mis communicating the true intent in the hopes we don't catch on until after a TA is signed by the negotiators. They don't want another repeat of the CDO situation where the malcontents get wind of something and force their reps to change.

Carl

I agree with you 100 percent here. Sorry for my earlier post. I directed my anger towards you. It should be directed at our union. That email really ****es me off. They talk as if we have to learn to say yes to concessions. They should be preaching to us that it's okay to delay our contract as the profit sharing alone will give us significant raises the next couple of years. We should be content just waiting. Our union should have put out a statement when the company first started verbally accusing us of calling in sick too much. Instead it seems our own union thinks we call in sick too much. Our union should be preaching it's okay to say no.

But it is allergies. :D I swear.

I cut the grass and I'm a mess. 3-4 months every Spring in the state of Georgia I am a mess. I've lived in Alabama and Virginia and never had allergy problems. Moved to Georgia and boom. And I called in sick when it was too much not long ago and got a rather snide response from a scheduler. Total crap imho. Rarely ever do I call in sick and when I do the schedulers act ****ed. In a category with 2-3x required staffing.

It is okay to say no. Probably would be healthy.

Here's your needle.




Well reports from "Men in the know" this is just a report back from the Negotiation Committee.. I guess the Company was actually surprised by what we were asking for.. So they are just reporting back the NOs and the He'll NOs

The pay rate ASK coming from the contract survey 23 percent over the life FWIW.. I don't think that even gets us back to 2004 rates.. They plan on selling this as you all are making more now then you did in 2004 with PS and by moving up in positions ...

PS the Co wants to change the Metrics of how it is figured no details provided...But it would only effect the larger threshold ...

The big hang ups are going to be my favorite topic SCOPE Relief for yet more JVs.. The CO wants more "Flexibility" to transfer flying to JV partners no surprise there.. And wants the whole AF/KLM grievance to just be reset and go away with no cash to you for the 5 years of Non-Compliance and stagnation as a result..

.Sick Time was brought up they want to reign that in Their proposal leave the 100 hours unchanged then the remainder would be "Managed" by a 3rd party with restrictions ...

But in exchange for those changes you would be able to use your "Sick Time" for the care of family members. Similar to MN CA and WA State law already allow and GA and NY are getting ready to change...

Pay Bsnding was brought up but the A350 was lumped into the A330 with still no crew rest area.....

Small changes to DC money 1-2 percent at the most ...Retirment Medical being discussed but not really much interest from the pilot group to push for this..

There was some talk of manatory Upgrades in base but sources said that proposal was DOA..FWIW....

Your input is important talk with your Reps We still have some Weak Links on the MEC if your based in CVG SLC or ATL you may want to submit your input as those bases seemed to have the weakest links...In the opinion of several good men...

Take it for what it's worth Call your Rep's your input does matter...

But IMO C2015 will falll well short of what some in our pilot are expecting out of it....

We increased our rates up to 4-8-3-3 in the last attempt at recouping our investment in the companies survival by buying them up with PS concessions. Why wouldn't he think he couldn't get us to fall for it again?