Company wants to increase productivity and decrease sick time. Sounds like a no vote. I will be optimistic and have faith we will not concede in an era of record profits.

What faith? Union wants to teach you how to say "yes."

Yep, I got a rock! I was out for over 6.

And how many nights do doctors and lawyers spend away from their homes and families, in the normal course of their work? Pilots should be paid A LOT more for that sacrifice alone, not just the 'pushing metal' part, IMMHO.

DFW

I couldn't give two defecations less how you want to justify more pay in this contract. I agree, we need better work rules, more vacation, more pay and all-around more of everything in this age of record profits.

I posted the Bureau of Labor Statistics data because someone else had started a conversation based on how much we get paid compared to other professionals.(e.g Lawyer/Doctor) Rockyboy?

Frankly, OUR (aviation) profession is different in many ways and we should be compensated on our own worth, versus being compared to other professionals. If that means we get paid a similar wage, GREAT! If it means we get paid more, EVEN BETTER! If it means we get paid less, well, SHAME ON OUR CBA!

Lots of professions spend lots of nights away. That argument won't fly at any negotiating table, which is the only place that it matters.

Consider the full spectrum:

Consecutive nights away
Holidays
Night work

All at once, for many.


That is not the usual 9-5 job, and that's without even considering the training/certificates and skills/experience required, in addition to the consequences of mistakes or poor judgement which put the responsibilities of the profession at the highest tier: those vocations that can result in death of the employee and customers, in addition to possible equipment loss (airplane) and possible property damage.

Long haul truck drivers have us beat here, not a great argument.

The only argument that will fly at the NMB is pay at our competitors, and we're getting no help here. If c2015 sucks, it's going to suck because AMR and United gave us nothing to work with.

Added one more. :) (Edit: Meaning they're still in Section 6 negotiations, what three years later?)

no, not my problem, but more evidence of what I was saying. I get tired of senior 777 and 747 pilots telling me I got another five years as well. For a RJ FO, that extra five years may have actually cost them money, even if they fly to 65.