Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
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You're correct about one point: you shouldn't use your NFL in lieu of addressing an unsafe guy through proper channels. On the other hand, if you don't like someone's personality, I think you (as an FO) have the right to bypass a higher desirability trip, to avoid him, and I think that's fine.
As previously discussed, the NFL highlights BOTH trouble Captains AND First Officers.
I have no problem with the system as it stands now. I don't agree with Captains being able to avoid FO's, however. Maybe it's because I've never been in that situation at Delta, but I think it's the Captain's job to manage the crew. If the FO is a douche, fix him, or send him back to the shop for a tune-up.
After all, you're advocating for a very pro-active attitude by FO's faced with a problem. Why not the Captain?
As previously discussed, the NFL highlights BOTH trouble Captains AND First Officers.
I have no problem with the system as it stands now. I don't agree with Captains being able to avoid FO's, however. Maybe it's because I've never been in that situation at Delta, but I think it's the Captain's job to manage the crew. If the FO is a douche, fix him, or send him back to the shop for a tune-up.
After all, you're advocating for a very pro-active attitude by FO's faced with a problem. Why not the Captain?
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I've been at Delta 17 years. I've flown with a few a-holes. If the captain isn't safe, the answer shouldn't be to put him / her on your no fly list so someone else has to fly with him / her. The answer is to address it through the CP or professional standards.
If the captain is just an a-hole*, I think of it as first officer responsibility to deal with it or upgrade.
*full disclosure - I'm an a-hole.
If the captain is just an a-hole*, I think of it as first officer responsibility to deal with it or upgrade.
*full disclosure - I'm an a-hole.
I think the Hermanator should be fired. The only person in my whole career that I wanted to punch in the nose. What a tool!!!!!
I used the same technique... with flaps 40, it comes out of the sky wherever you pull the power. As demonstrated so eloquently by WN.
I've been at Delta 17 years. I've flown with a few a-holes. If the captain isn't safe, the answer shouldn't be to put him / her on your no fly list so someone else has to fly with him / her. The answer is to address it through the CP or professional standards.
If the captain is just an a-hole*, I think of it as first officer responsibility to deal with it or upgrade.
*full disclosure - I'm an a-hole.
If the captain is just an a-hole*, I think of it as first officer responsibility to deal with it or upgrade.
*full disclosure - I'm an a-hole.
A-holes? MB one or two. My personal philosophy at my age is that "life's too short to have to fly with A-holes." If I get a trip with one, I drop it. If I see a slip in open time with one, I pass. If I see cool guys, I pick it up. 99% of the time, and that's really an amazing stat, it's a great professional experience.
I'm really impressed with the guys and girls Delta has hired. It's really an amazing cross section of talents, abilities and personalities. The NFL is a nice feature to enhance CRM. CAs, IMHO, should have the same access.
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I agree with your sentiment about Delta people. In 17 years, probably only 5 rotations I would consider not wanting to do again due to personality conflict. Also, I've never flown with a Delta pilot I would hesitate to put my family onboard with (in regards to safety).
I've always been proud that I work with people that are willing to spend 8-16 hours together in a cockpit and then be willing to go out for dinner and drinks for another 3 or 4 (sometimes more).
Nice thing about working for Delta: I may have never met the next captain I'm going to fly with, but I pretty much know how it's going to go. And I'm looking forward to it.
I've always been proud that I work with people that are willing to spend 8-16 hours together in a cockpit and then be willing to go out for dinner and drinks for another 3 or 4 (sometimes more).
Nice thing about working for Delta: I may have never met the next captain I'm going to fly with, but I pretty much know how it's going to go. And I'm looking forward to it.
Captains have many options for dealing with problems in the right seat. Those options include but are not limited to: a "cockpit door closed, come to Jesus now" meeting; ALPA professional standards; a call to the Chief LCA; call to the CPO; and the nuclear option of "get off my airplane." Any escalation that involves the phone better have also included a previous conversation (or five) with the accused, face to face. Do not be passive. Don't be passive-aggressive. Assertively hold your crew to your standard.
FO's have most of the same options, after the fact. FO's can chose to remove themselves from the trip that includes the overbearing Captain. (I guarantee that will get some attention.) But because they aren't the Captain, they get to avoid the known azzhats.
Which brings me to my point. Don't pass along a problem. Put some light on it. Let someone (ALPA, DAL) know with names, dates, details and possible solutions. Let your buddies know. Let the accused know. This is our house. Why do we tolerate people pooping in the living room?
FO's have most of the same options, after the fact. FO's can chose to remove themselves from the trip that includes the overbearing Captain. (I guarantee that will get some attention.) But because they aren't the Captain, they get to avoid the known azzhats.
Which brings me to my point. Don't pass along a problem. Put some light on it. Let someone (ALPA, DAL) know with names, dates, details and possible solutions. Let your buddies know. Let the accused know. This is our house. Why do we tolerate people pooping in the living room?
Nice thing about working for Delta: I may have never met the next captain I'm going to fly with, but I pretty much know how it's going to go. And I'm looking forward to it.
I'm outside lookin' in, but that has to be one of the best things you can say about your pilot group.
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