Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
Whatever you do, you are now allowed to confuse these:


Yes, they're both big. But one is outsourced and one is not.

Yes, they're both big. But one is outsourced and one is not.
The narrative in the Iron Eagle poster is hilarious. Somebody please edit for L&G and repost.
Uh oh Mike. Now you've done it.
I know it is going to be a fun day when some new guy questions FTBs skills at military aircraft recognition.
FTB, Timbo, 80kts and a few others are resident experts on the fine art of fighter jet recce here on APC. There's a tradition that goes back several years.
Obviously we have some new guys that are not aware of their expertise.
Maybe we can get FTB to post a primer on how to spot an F-15..
And BTW, it was not a MiG. It was clearly a C-130 painted to look like a MiG.
I know it is going to be a fun day when some new guy questions FTBs skills at military aircraft recognition.
FTB, Timbo, 80kts and a few others are resident experts on the fine art of fighter jet recce here on APC. There's a tradition that goes back several years.
Obviously we have some new guys that are not aware of their expertise.
Maybe we can get FTB to post a primer on how to spot an F-15..
And BTW, it was not a MiG. It was clearly a C-130 painted to look like a MiG.
Last edited by Check Essential; 01-16-2015 at 07:50 AM. Reason: I see I'm way behind. The education has begun.
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Uh oh Mike. Now you've done it.
I know it is going to be a fun day when some new guy questions FTBs skills at military aircraft recognition.
FTB, Timbo, 80kts and a few others are resident experts on the fine art of fighter jet recce here on APC. There's a tradition that goes back several years.
Obviously we have some new guys that are not aware of their expertise.
Maybe we can get FTB to post a primer on how to spot an F-15..
And BTW, it was not a MiG. It was clearly a C-130 painted to look like a MiG.
I know it is going to be a fun day when some new guy questions FTBs skills at military aircraft recognition.
FTB, Timbo, 80kts and a few others are resident experts on the fine art of fighter jet recce here on APC. There's a tradition that goes back several years.
Obviously we have some new guys that are not aware of their expertise.
Maybe we can get FTB to post a primer on how to spot an F-15..
And BTW, it was not a MiG. It was clearly a C-130 painted to look like a MiG.
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Senior FO's watch for TOE trips. The day prior to the trip they call the junior FO on a TOE trip and swap their better trip with him. At 7 pm that night they are now the senior FO and stay home. The original senior FO now flies a trip he thought he would be home for. There are a few guys who do this all month long. One FO I know lost staying home on two trips in a row to the same guy.
It's legal but I would not call it ethical. Easy fix would be the senior original line holder on the trip stays home unless both guys dropped it.
There are some very ****ed off FO's over this issue!
It's legal but I would not call it ethical. Easy fix would be the senior original line holder on the trip stays home unless both guys dropped it.
There are some very ****ed off FO's over this issue!
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I had to drop a few trips post bid for MLOA. On my 31 Dec 14 check it says $35 for USERRA. I know this is for the DC plan for the days I used mil on, but I belive it should be greater than that. Is it calculated/paid quarterly or something?
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2. At some point the trip goes up for GS coverage and someone IN BASE gets the chance to make more $$. No matter WHERE or HOW it is done, allowing ANOTHER group of pilots to offer to fly that trip, which the company currently does not have the ability to access or with reduced restrictions (!), will reduce the pressure on the company in that base for coverage and will reduce the number of trips put out for GS. The END EFFECT is to reduce the number of pilots needed to fly the entire Delta schedule. All of that is negative.
If you want to fly trips out of a base, bid the base. Or bid OOB White Slips like Dalad does above, which are already in the coverage matrix.
When someone at that base doesn't want to fly a trip and puts it on the swap board--it's THOSE GUY's TRIP, Guys at THAT BASE. To take or to let fall into the coverage ladder, and maybe go to GS IN THAT BASE. I can just imagine the bidding cabals that would emerge if we were foolish enough to ever let this camel get it's nose in the tent...
If you want to fly trips out of a base, bid the base. Or bid OOB White Slips like Dalad does above, which are already in the coverage matrix.
When someone at that base doesn't want to fly a trip and puts it on the swap board--it's THOSE GUY's TRIP, Guys at THAT BASE. To take or to let fall into the coverage ladder, and maybe go to GS IN THAT BASE. I can just imagine the bidding cabals that would emerge if we were foolish enough to ever let this camel get it's nose in the tent...
It's your airline, your contract, and your collective mindset, so ultimately do what you believe to be in your own collective best interest. Having said that, you should talk-up the next SWA pilot you meet (or know) because we are living the "bidding cabal" you fear. On balance, I think most of our pilots appreciate the flexibility of picking up trips in other bases. If a pilot posts a trip on our give-away board, it goes to the first-comer...regardless of domicile. The pilot trying to get rid of his trip really doesn't care who takes it....he just wants it gone. Common sense and seems to work well. For all company open time, in-domicile pilots have priority over all out-of-domicile pilots, regardless of system seniority. Common-sense and seems to work well. The only thing these rules do not promote is more bodies on the seniority list, but then our dogma has always been running lean and striving for more productive trips, not less (though if you really want an unproductive trip, there are no shortage of pilots willing to trade with you
). We've run our own experiments with adding more restrictions to open time awards, trip trading, etc....but I think the emerging consensus for us is that more restrictions on what we can do (kind of like more gov't regulations) in the aggregate penalizes us as a whole more than it protects us. YMMV.
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