The really sad part of this contract discussion is that we are using a contract that is over a decade old as the paragon for a contract today. Even if the company came to us tomorrow and said they would give us back C2K that would mean that from 2004 to the end of 2015 we made no gains.

To put that in perspective, My daughter was starting pre school when we lost C2K, she is now a freshman in high school and we still haven't made it back to those payrates.

 

At risk because the company went bankrupt. Do you see the company in or near chapter 11 in the future? Personally I am all for keeping profit sharing. With the time I have left it will put the most money in my pocket. If I were younger I would have a different view.
If American passes their contract I don't see the company making a big run at the profit sharing. It's to their advantage to keep it and have built in pay cuts when the profits drop.

 

How do you know what it is for the next bid period? I see it on my time card for this month...

Does GS trigger = ALV for the period?

 

Exactly. I don't get this whole discussion just when the big 3 are hitting high gear. Looks like AA passed their POS.

 

One of the arguments made to me awhile back from a Captain that is all into the market is that he would rather have to money NOW and invest it at his whim versus depending on the performance of the company. There are those out there, day traders, etc. that would definitely go down that path. Just wondering if one of them is not responsible for this "make believe" posturing that we are hearing. Personally, I invest in snake oil and SPAM contracts...

 

My friend at AA says the TA passed, 64%/36%.

 

I still want 30% above this minimum.


FORT WORTH, Texas, Jan. 30, 2015 /PRNewswire/ -- The Allied Pilots Association (APA), representing 15,000 pilots at American Airlines, announced today its members have approved a new five-year contract which provides immediate pay raises of 23 percent and subsequent annual raises of three percent for the next five years.

American Airlines President Scott Kirby said, "Today's results provide immediate and significant pay increases to our pilots, and represent another step forward in our integration. We are especially pleased that American is in a position to support pay increases that recognize the contributions of our pilots this early in our integration. We also acknowledge and applaud the hard work and leadership of APA Chairman and Captain Keith Wilson, the APA national officers, the negotiating teams from the APA and the company, as well as members of the APA Board."

 

Captain could just put his entire PS into 401K and he would be at his limit sooner this year and receive his 15% DC into his paycheck and then put that $$ to work for him.

 

Much of a track record? It's the "style" that brought us to the year 2000 from the beginning of our profession. When Dave Behncke started ALPA way back, the profession was horrible and dangerous. If we had used today's model of gains being offset by concessions, we'd still have a horrid and dangerous profession. Instead, we negotiated for what the gains would be, not the concessions.

Concessionary bargaining is a relatively new phenomenon. But we have many pilots today that have never experienced anything but. In today's environment, concessions should not even be contemplated...only the amount of the gains. Since Delta pilots lead the industry in not one single section of our contract, we can make gains in all sections and keep the NMB happy. If we weren't a non-union shop that is.

Carl

 

While C2k may have been the high bar for certain metrics, all of which I endorse, it may not be the end all be all in every area.

Personally, I'm in favor of cherry picking the best parts of everyone's contracts. A parochial mentality leaves a lot of potential goodies on the table.

For example: under the NWA contract, if you flew over 8.5 hours block domestically, you were automatically entitled to 12 hours rest.

This was a great example of a real world negotiated solution to a serious shortfall in the FARS (at the time). If you went over 8.5 domestically, that meant something got really messed up, and you were probably beat like a dog.

No begging to Crew Tracking...no "let me transfer you to the Duty Pilot" and no dancing around the "F" word....you got your 12 hours to recoup and get a hot dinner at Cracker Barrel.

Did it happen that often? Probably not, but when it did, you APPRICIATED it.

Think how much more valuable it would be now that over 8.5 can be regularly scheduled.

My point is that holding up any particular PWA as some kind of golden standard may not apply in all situations. Rather, we should swallow our pride and look for the best that everyone has (or in this case had) to offer.

Nu