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Old 02-02-2015 | 09:41 PM
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The other employee groups did not negotiate profit sharing, why should the company (or us) use it as a negotiating tool in any contract? No negotiating PS! Just negotiate our pay raise.
Old 02-03-2015 | 02:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Humboldt
IAV84DAL,

Your quote of mine you pulled was from half my original post. If you read it entirely, I said that I do not want profit sharing touched, status quo on that. PLUS I want a 20% pay raise. I have no idea how you come up with me being a "conncessionist." Read the entire post, I want everything we have now plus at least a 20% pay increase.

I'm not selling profit sharing for a raise and I want a dam# big raise to boot.

Delta needs to pay me (and any another pilot) to be able to live decently in any Delta domicile.

Humboldt
Hum,

I wouldn't waste your time reading/responding to this guy. He clearly has an agenda and frequently pops up around contract negotiations.

I respectfully, enjoy the healthy debate and difference of opinion that often arises in this thread, but we often see people like this who throw logic and reason to the wind and aim to do nothing more than antagonize.

All the best,
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Old 02-03-2015 | 03:00 AM
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Originally Posted by IAV84DAL View Post
I've changed my mind on profit sharing. Giving back one cent is a concession. NOT ONE CENT
Old 02-03-2015 | 03:14 AM
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Originally Posted by DeadHead
Hum,

I wouldn't waste your time reading/responding to this guy. He clearly has an agenda and frequently pops up around contract negotiations.

I respectfully, enjoy the healthy debate and difference of opinion that often arises in this thread, but we often see people like this who throw logic and reason to the wind and aim to do nothing more than antagonize.

All the best,
DH
Care to put a little evidence behind a comment like that? Otherwise it's just truthiness.

I agree with your second point about healthy debate and difference of opinion that can happen here (It doesn't always, but it can).
Old 02-03-2015 | 03:51 AM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
Care to put a little evidence behind a comment like that
Bro, that was his opinion. He doesn't need to satisfy whatever ridiculous standard of proof you arbitrarily demand.

It's kind of like when someone accuses you of pushing concessions to solve the company's problems at the line pilots' expense. Or thinks that your loyalty to the DALPA bureaucracy outweighs your loyalty to Delta line pilots.

Those would be opinions based on consideration of your posts; no "proof" required.
Old 02-03-2015 | 05:41 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
So, what's your price? I'm ok with nuking profit sharing for an additional 20% on top of reasonable normal increases.
If management were to inflate a big rubber rat at ALPA Headquarters and erect a sign that said something like "16%+ in Bonus Payments"! I can imagine we would all respond in a single chorus of how that money was owed us from the beginning.

Compensation shouldn't be optional, conditional or dependent upon. Carve outs like Profit Sharing that can be advantaged by a select few deprive us all of a Southwest paycheck and it's time to fix that.

Now this is off topic a little but for Humbolt and all those who have to bear the added expense of the LA domicile or NYC I would be amenable to a form of COLA like I had during my Navy career based in Hawaii. This would be to my way of thinking, additional compensation which levels the playing field for members who domicile in a high cost Zip Code.
Old 02-03-2015 | 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
Care to put a little evidence behind a comment like that? Otherwise it's just truthiness.

I agree with your second point about healthy debate and difference of opinion that can happen here (It doesn't always, but it can).
He admitted to having another account. I'm guessing he was banned previously.

In my opinion, he gets off on stirring the pot. Take a look at his posting history - or what's left of it since many of his posts were deleted for violating the site TOS - he puts out an "opinion" that is controversial then repeats it over and over again until someone takes the bait at which point he attacks.

I don't think he has an agenda other than self gratification. It's hard to know about the timing of his posts because he has posted under different names.
Old 02-03-2015 | 06:04 AM
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I don't post under any other alias. None.
Old 02-03-2015 | 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by IAV84DAL
If management were to inflate a big rubber rat at ALPA Headquarters and erect a sign that said something like "16%+ in Bonus Payments"! I can imagine we would all respond in a single chorus of how that money was owed us from the beginning.

Compensation shouldn't be optional, conditional or dependent upon. Carve outs like Profit Sharing that can be advantaged by a select few deprive us all of a Southwest paycheck and it's time to fix that.
Now this is off topic a little but for Humbolt and all those who have to bear the added expense of the LA domicile or NYC I would be amenable to a form of COLA like I had during my Navy career based in Hawaii. This would be to my way of thinking, additional compensation which levels the playing field for members who domicile in a high cost Zip Code.
I do believe SWA has profit sharing.
Old 02-03-2015 | 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by IAV84DAL
If management were to inflate a big rubber rat at ALPA Headquarters and erect a sign that said something like "16%+ in Bonus Payments"! I can imagine we would all respond in a single chorus of how that money was owed us from the beginning.

Compensation shouldn't be optional, conditional or dependent upon. Carve outs like Profit Sharing that can be advantaged by a select few deprive us all of a Southwest paycheck and it's time to fix that.

Now this is off topic a little but for Humbolt and all those who have to bear the added expense of the LA domicile or NYC I would be amenable to a form of COLA like I had during my Navy career based in Hawaii. This would be to my way of thinking, additional compensation which levels the playing field for members who domicile in a high cost Zip Code.
The issue you have is where the pilots live, not work.
COLA's work for a profession that has to remain local. How do you pay a COLA to a NY based pilot who lives in say NJ?
Ask the FEDEX club how that worked out for the cola's they were paying to their China branch.... some were fired when the company contended that their family actually resided in the states.
If I live in PHX and commute to LAX for work, would I still get the COLA?
If I live in LAX but commute to SLC for a better seniority, do I get the COLA?
See the issue?
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