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Carl Spackler 03-06-2015 04:42 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1838484)
Not once I have I ever said it does not matter. Most pilots however seem to think there was a much larger shortfall then reality. They perceive that this gives us some kind of massive leverage against the company. One copilot recently told me that it was over 25 flights a day and we lost 3000 jobs. He is a tiny bit off!

You're the one that's off sailingfun. Georetg, myself and others have posted many times how wrong you are with this 2 flights per day nonsense. You ignore the posts and the facts, go silent for a while, then bring up the 2 flights per day nonsense again.

To those who haven't seen this Sailingfun movie before, he's wrong. Why he keeps stating this after knowing he's wrong, is another story.

Carl

MikeF16 03-06-2015 04:53 PM


Originally Posted by DelDah Capt (Post 1838443)
You seem to be asking if you can fly two separately published trips in the same day. Since they are two different duty periods, the answer is No unless you have the required rest between those duty periods.


Originally Posted by nwaf16dude (Post 1838447)
You would have to have 13 hours off from release to report, and yes it would be another 5:15, unless it was a deadhead only duty period.


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1838453)
Interesting question.
Let me throw out a contrarian view. You can do it if you have a legal break like F16dude says, but also I think you could do it as long as you count it as one duty period and its FAR legal.
Look at 12.G.2 note 3.

And I also think you would get 10:30. The 5:15 ADG is per day of your rotation.
Two rotations, two ADGs. Section 12.J.

I wouldn't be interested in the separate duty periods, rather just go home. But I have 3 trips this month that release at 1000 or earlier, I know it would be possible to cram the 1st day of another rotation into my legal FAR duty day. I guess the real crux of the matter is would the computers consider it 2 duty periods and require the rest or consider it 1 duty period. If 1 duty period it would then need to decide whether I would get the 5:15 or 10:30. If the opportunity presents itself I'll give it a try and see what happens.

sailingfun 03-06-2015 05:09 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1838486)
You're the one that's off sailingfun. Georetg, myself and others have posted many times how wrong you are with this 2 flights per day nonsense. You ignore the posts and the facts, go silent for a while, then bring up the 2 flights per day nonsense again.

To those who haven't seen this Sailingfun movie before, he's wrong. Why he keeps stating this after knowing he's wrong, is another story.

Carl

Carl, last fall I offered you a large bet on if I was wrong or not. You declined to take the bet. Please tell us your numbers and where they are from. The numbers you posted before were the requirement to cure the problem with one year to go. Not the average over 4 years.
Here is what is pertinent and will be what the grievance is about. The contract required that the company award us 48.5% of the EASK. We are actually going to end up around 47% the shortfall will be 1.5%. There are several varibles on how many flights that might be since its a EASK. Length of the flight and size of the aircraft make big changes. To make you happy I will call the shortfall 1.5%. Do you dispute that number?

sailingfun 03-06-2015 05:22 PM


Originally Posted by MikeF16 (Post 1838492)
I wouldn't be interested in the separate duty periods, rather just go home. But I have 3 trips this month that release at 1000 or earlier, I know it would be possible to cram the 1st day of another rotation into my legal FAR duty day. I guess the real crux of the matter is would the computers consider it 2 duty periods and require the rest or consider it 1 duty period. If 1 duty period it would then need to decide whether I would get the 5:15 or 10:30. If the opportunity presents itself I'll give it a try and see what happens.

It will not be awarded unless you have the required break in duty time between rotations. You won't even show up on the trip coverage reports Skeds uses to award open time.

Omar 111 03-06-2015 05:28 PM

[QUOTE=MikeF16;1838492]I wouldn't be interested in the separate duty periods, rather just go home. But I have 3 trips this month that release at 1000 or earlier, I know it would be possible to cram the 1st day of another rotation into my legal FAR duty day. I guess the real crux of the matter is would the computers consider it 2 duty periods and require the rest or consider it 1 duty period. If 1 duty period it would then need to decide whether I would get the 5:15 or 10:30. If the opportunity presents itself I'll give it a try and see what happens.[/QUOTE

Sorry, you can't do it. You have to have a legal break after you finish your first rotation before you can begin a second.

Omar

firstmob 03-06-2015 05:39 PM


Originally Posted by Lifeisgood (Post 1838341)
5 757's
China
8 years old average
$11M per jet average.

Always looking worldwide.

Where in China?:confused:

Carl Spackler 03-06-2015 06:03 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1838499)
Carl, last fall I offered you a large bet on if I was wrong or not. You declined to take the bet. Please tell us your numbers and where they are from. The numbers you posted before were the requirement to cure the problem with one year to go. Not the average over 4 years.
Here is what is pertinent and will be what the grievance is about. The contract required that the company award us 48.5% of the EASK. We are actually going to end up around 47% the shortfall will be 1.5%. There are several varibles on how many flights that might be since its a EASK. Length of the flight and size of the aircraft make big changes. To make you happy I will call the shortfall 1.5%. Do you dispute that number?

We've been through this too many times to rehash and I'm sure nobody wants to see us go through this process again only to see you go silent, then resurface with this same 2 flight per day nonsense. If anyone is interested, they can revisit mine, FTB's, Georgtg's and others posted charts and tables. Minimize the job losses to Delta pilots all you wish sailingfun, it doesn't make it true. It never will.

Carl

forgot to bid 03-06-2015 06:08 PM


Originally Posted by gredenko (Post 1838477)
As a newhire on the ER, could you guys expand on what we heard so many times in indoc that they're bulking up on staffing for summer ER flying? Does that mean more cities, more frequency to existing cities, charters, military...? I understand there was an ER pulldown a few years ago, but it seems like they're building it back up (see latest AE). Is it only for the summer? Thanks!

Supposedly, multiple sources at least, Delta would like not to reduce the 757 fleet to the size previously mentioned. It might require additional aircraft not already here. Maybe they're wanting to staff those as well as just handle the ebb and flow of summer and ER Bs bailing to their first Captain positions. IDK.

One could at least hope that's true.

forgot to bid 03-06-2015 06:10 PM


Originally Posted by EdGrimley (Post 1838398)

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Timbo 03-06-2015 06:48 PM

I just wish one of their Clients had been the Delta Pilots, you know, the guys who paid his salary for about the past 10 years...:rolleyes:

I'm pretty sure the A4A is one of his Clients now that our contracts are 'mature'.

Oh Wait! He IS a Delta Pilot!

Or... was.

I doubt we'll ever see him fly a Delta jet again.


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