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DelDah Capt 03-06-2015 02:47 PM


Originally Posted by MikeF16 (Post 1838423)
I have a trip that is a single leg of shuttle that blocks in early in the morning. If there was a trip in open time that begins the same day, would day 1 of the 2nd trip just add to the block time of that 1st trip, or would I get the 5:15 guarantee for the only leg of the 1st trip, then a minimum of another 5:15 for day 1 of the follow-on trip? IE, can I snag a 10:30 day?

You seem to be asking if you can fly two separately published trips in the same day. Since they are two different duty periods, the answer is No unless you have the required rest between those duty periods.

nwaf16dude 03-06-2015 02:59 PM


Originally Posted by MikeF16 (Post 1838423)
I have a trip that is a single leg of shuttle that blocks in early in the morning. If there was a trip in open time that begins the same day, would day 1 of the 2nd trip just add to the block time of that 1st trip, or would I get the 5:15 guarantee for the only leg of the 1st trip, then a minimum of another 5:15 for day 1 of the follow-on trip? IE, can I snag a 10:30 day?

You would have to have 13 hours off from release to report, and yes it would be another 5:15, unless it was a deadhead only duty period.

Check Essential 03-06-2015 03:10 PM


Originally Posted by MikeF16 (Post 1838423)
I have a trip that is a single leg of shuttle that blocks in early in the morning. If there was a trip in open time that begins the same day, would day 1 of the 2nd trip just add to the block time of that 1st trip, or would I get the 5:15 guarantee for the only leg of the 1st trip, then a minimum of another 5:15 for day 1 of the follow-on trip? IE, can I snag a 10:30 day?

Interesting question.
Let me throw out a contrarian view. You can do it if you have a legal break like F16dude says, but also I think you could do it as long as you count it as one duty period and its FAR legal.
Look at 12.G.2 note 3.

And I also think you would get 10:30. The 5:15 ADG is per day of your rotation.
Two rotations, two ADGs. Section 12.J.

sailingfun 03-06-2015 03:19 PM


Originally Posted by Big E 757 (Post 1838424)
When we stopped flying to Cairo and Amman in NYC a few years back, those two daily flights x 2 FO's per flight changed the bidding dynamic as if I had slid back 40 numbers in category over night.

120 segments less per month...and I figure the top 40 FO's flew 3 of those per month. It made a huge difference for the A's and B's in that category. But I also get that system wide, it's not too big of a deal but we need to enforce the contract. From Junior wide body Captain on down, it has had an effect.

Those flights had a big effect on all the ER pilots in NY. The transfer of ATH to the 330 and TLV to the 747 had a big impact also. On 1 May the IST flight goes to the 330. That will hurt all summer. The Middle East flights however I dont think are part of the JV formula. The company shortfall is in EASK so the length of the flt factors into the shortage. It might be that one over 12 flight would have brought them into compliance. A shorter route to the UK might require two flts.

gloopy 03-06-2015 03:24 PM


Originally Posted by Big E 757 (Post 1838424)
When we stopped flying to Cairo and Amman in NYC a few years back, those two daily flights x 2 FO's per flight changed the bidding dynamic as if I had slid back 40 numbers in category over night.

120 segments less per month...and I figure the top 40 FO's flew 3 of those per month. It made a huge difference for the A's and B's in that category. But I also get that system wide, it's not too big of a deal but we need to enforce the contract. From Junior wide body Captain on down, it has had an effect.

Does Air France (et al) still fly to any of the cities we pulled during the Great ER Purge and/or Arab Spring/etc? If so, does any of that flying count against them in the JV?

I'm wondering if DL can outright abandon a market altogether, give it to AF/KLM/AZ to fly, not directly from the US but from one of their hubs, and those ESK's no longer count against the JV, only the shorter US-CDG/AMS ESK's would still count, with them getting over 50% anyway, and the remainder being 100% on their metal not even counting as an ESK?

If so, maybe we should limit them to NYC/BOS, we split those routes, and then we do 100% of everything else and call it even. :/

gredenko 03-06-2015 04:18 PM

As a newhire on the ER, could you guys expand on what we heard so many times in indoc that they're bulking up on staffing for summer ER flying? Does that mean more cities, more frequency to existing cities, charters, military...? I understand there was an ER pulldown a few years ago, but it seems like they're building it back up (see latest AE). Is it only for the summer? Thanks!

RetiredFTS 03-06-2015 04:24 PM

Looking at booking a last minute company business PS seat but only 1 first class seat is available (no Y). Is this allowed. RTB from CQ.

Never mind, TravelNet won't even entertain the idea.

Big E 757 03-06-2015 04:29 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1838454)
Those flights had a big effect on all the ER pilots in NY. The transfer of ATH to the 330 and TLV to the 747 had a big impact also. On 1 May the IST flight goes to the 330. That will hurt all summer. The Middle East flights however I dont think are part of the JV formula. The company shortfall is in EASK so the length of the flt factors into the shortage. It might be that one over 12 flight would have brought them into compliance. A shorter route to the UK might require two flts.

You are missing the point SF. You are acting like 2 flights to Europe a day doesn't matter. I say it depends on your perspective.

sailingfun 03-06-2015 04:30 PM


Originally Posted by gredenko (Post 1838477)
As a newhire on the ER, could you guys expand on what we heard so many times in indoc that they're bulking up on staffing for summer ER flying? Does that mean more cities, more frequency to existing cities, charters, military...? I understand there was an ER pulldown a few years ago, but it seems like they're building it back up (see latest AE). Is it only for the summer? Thanks!

The staffing on the ER goes up every summer. The overall increase in block hours runs about 30% Summer verses winter and is higher for copilots. The reason is that we fly many summer only destinations to Europe. We also cut back to 3 or 4 day a week service in the winter on many city pairs. Some destinations like Rome get additional daily flts in the summer. Each added summer ER destination to Europe needs two FO's.
The second issue is that both last summer and this summer marketing has made last minute changes adding additional flying. The block hours will see a big drop in the fall. This happens every year.

sailingfun 03-06-2015 04:33 PM


Originally Posted by Big E 757 (Post 1838481)
You are missing the point SF. You are acting like 2 flights to Europe a day doesn't matter. I say it depends on your perspective.

Not once I have I ever said it does not matter. Most pilots however seem to think there was a much larger shortfall then reality. They perceive that this gives us some kind of massive leverage against the company. One copilot recently told me that it was over 25 flights a day and we lost 3000 jobs. He is a tiny bit off!


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