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Welcome to the airline life. I spent 6 years commuting to NYC out of SAT. And yes I sat in the crashpad siting long call. On the bright side, that category will ramp up pretty quickly.

Thanks ALPA - just saw that uniforms won't be required for KCM access beginning next month!

Mike,

If you are a fairly senior reserve in category there's probably a pretty good chance you can pick up some yellow slip flying on your reserve days to mitigate the pain of sitting in the crash pad. Sitting long call in NY is actually not so bad. You can hop on the subway and head downtown without having to worry about missing a call from scheduling. NYC ain't SAT, but I am sure you will find something to do for the one or two months you are on reserve up there.

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Originally Posted by MikeF16 (Post 1784400)

I've got a question on how schedules are reasoned out. I'm looking at January 717A for NYC (I assume 717B will be fairly similar). There was only enough flying to build 6 lines, yet there are over 30 people sitting reserve. How will the company use that 80% of the pilots who are sitting reserve? It surely can't be to cover just those 6 guys who will get schedules can it?

I understand there is only so much flying for the new category, and if so how will the company use these reserves? Will they be DH'd to another base to fly elsewhere?

I admit this is a self-serving question. Even as a new hire I am in the top half of my category; however, since there is so little flying I'm sure to get a reserve line. Because I'm out of SAT, I can't sit long call from home since there too many instances where I'd probably not be able to get to NYC in <12 hours -- even with perfect weather -- and almost none where I'd have my "unable to commute" backup. I don't mind paying my dues, but it would seem kind of silly for me to sit in a crash pad for the entire month only to be DH'd out of base to go fly somewhere else :). Am I reading this correctly, or am I overlooking better options?

Thanks!

Surely with your experience you've heard of TDY, when they hired you, it was for ALL of DAL, not just NY. Sounds like expense money to me.

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Originally Posted by MikeF16 (Post 1784400)

I'll take a shot since I've been to this rodeo before. Yes, 80% will sit reserve, and you will be assigned all 6 of your short calls, even though you will never see more than one called out in a day.

I was on the overmanned 767-400 a few years back, there were typically 12 guys on short call with a resv req of 4 total! I raised this with the head of Crew Sched at a road show, he tried to blow me off with a "protect the operation". But I had numbers; they had only called out 2 pilots on short call in the past 6 months, and not even on the same day. So I asked why so many assigned short call, he came clean with "because we can".

We need a pay bump for every day assigned short call in C2015. If it costs $$$s, it will self correct.

ATL7ERB's available via the back door.

Originally Posted by Scoop http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/im...s/viewpost.gif
I don't know, but you do realize that the company can make the exact same argument for every SCOPE related issue in our contract.

Why should DAL pay us $$$$ to fly the 717 when they can outsource it for $$? The answer is that DAL has entered into a contract with us to do so.

A contract is pretty worthless if one party will only honor it if it is in their interests to do so. After all, if its in their interest they would do it without a contract.

Scoop

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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob (Post 1784261)

Not what I was alluding to, but thanks for trying. Where does it say in the contract that Delta has to operate unprofitable flights just to give us something to do? 717 pay is in the contract. Apples and bananas.

I understand your bigger point - It is not good for any of us to try to force DAL to continue with unprofitable routes. But the fact is that the JV minimums are SCOPE and are in the contract per the LOA.

The company agreed to this and signed on the dotted line. Yes conditions have changed but that is why we have a contract. Once the company realized that they would not fly the contractual minimum they could have approached DALPA and worked something out - or at least tried.

Furthermore who is saying to fly "unprofitable routes?" DAL could fly many trans-Atlantic routes to satisfy the JV.

By your logic DAL could further reduce trans-Atlantic flying and increase code-share flying to make up for the decrease.

My bigger point was that we have to be aggressive in enforcing all areas of our contract. The jury is still out on this one since the cure period ends in March. Time will tell.

Scoop

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Originally Posted by Cubdrick (Post 1784411)

Thanks ALPA - just saw that uniforms won't be required for KCM access beginning next month!

Now if we can only work on the absolute absurdity that is UK security.

End of year financial planning. Since Jan 1 is a holiday, our final 2014 paycheck should be Dec 31 for the advance (Dec 1-15 flying) yes?