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Old 12-15-2014 | 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
I don't know, but you do realize that the company can make the exact same argument for every SCOPE related issue in our contract.

Why should DAL pay us $$$$ to fly the 717 when they can outsource it for $$? The answer is that DAL has entered into a contract with us to do so.

A contract is pretty worthless if one party will only honor it if it is in their interests to do so. After all, if its in their interest they would do it without a contract.

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Not what I was alluding to, but thanks for trying. Where does it say in the contract that Delta has to operate unprofitable flights just to give us something to do? 717 pay is in the contract. Apples and bananas.
Old 12-15-2014 | 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
Go talk to a network guy about this. When we pulled down trans Atlantic flying, AF was supposed to also. Instead, chasing decreasing profits, they increased their flying, further opening the gap. Their attitude was, "That's your problem to fix."
That's why we should have language that states something along the lines of "in the event of non-compliance by the company, the company will immediately decrease the number of flights offered by our JV partners to Delta passengers."

It's amazing that we don't have specific language for non-compliance by the company. Even after we have known that they will not comply with our current AF JV, we sign another JV without specific penalties for non-compliance. We never learn from our mistakes. We are clearly leaving WB jobs on the table and it's costing Delta pilots money because of the lack of availability of those jobs.
Old 12-16-2014 | 03:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
How long do you think Delta would keep pilots on the payroll flying unprofitable flights just to meet a manning formula?
Once it's in the contract, it's up to you and your ALPA buddies to enforce it--not to help the company weasel out of its obligations with ALPA obfuscation and equivocation.

The contract is entirely too permissive on a number of provisions (including scope and reroutes), and ALPA can't even enforce those limits that are in place.
Old 12-16-2014 | 04:52 AM
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http://www.regulations.gov/#!documen...2010-0018-0395

By this order, the Department institutes a proceeding to determine the disposition of the U.S.-Haneda slot pair currently allocated to Delta Air Lines, Inc. (Delta) for services between Seattle, Washington, and Tokyo’s Haneda Airport.

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Old 12-16-2014 | 05:15 AM
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Originally Posted by thefoxsays
No joke. I'm not a fan of PBS period, but does anyone know why this process takes SOOOOOO long? Should only take a few hours.
You new? ALPA guys take a look at the results to make sure PBS is screwing everyone evenly.
Old 12-16-2014 | 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by cni187
You new? ALPA guys take a look at the results to make sure PBS is screwing everyone evenly.
Yes, newer. I'll admit sometimes PBS has worked well, but line bidding is still better IMO.

With PBS, you really have no idea what you'll get.

And takes too long to post results.
Old 12-16-2014 | 05:30 AM
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Default January NYC 717 flying

I've got a question on how schedules are reasoned out. I'm looking at January 717A for NYC (I assume 717B will be fairly similar). There was only enough flying to build 6 lines, yet there are over 30 people sitting reserve. How will the company use that 80% of the pilots who are sitting reserve? It surely can't be to cover just those 6 guys who will get schedules can it?

I understand there is only so much flying for the new category, and if so how will the company use these reserves? Will they be DH'd to another base to fly elsewhere?

I admit this is a self-serving question. Even as a new hire I am in the top half of my category; however, since there is so little flying I'm sure to get a reserve line. Because I'm out of SAT, I can't sit long call from home since there too many instances where I'd probably not be able to get to NYC in <12 hours -- even with perfect weather -- and almost none where I'd have my "unable to commute" backup. I don't mind paying my dues, but it would seem kind of silly for me to sit in a crash pad for the entire month only to be DH'd out of base to go fly somewhere else . Am I reading this correctly, or am I overlooking better options?

Thanks!
Old 12-16-2014 | 05:36 AM
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Welcome to the airline life. I spent 6 years commuting to NYC out of SAT. And yes I sat in the crashpad siting long call. On the bright side, that category will ramp up pretty quickly.
Old 12-16-2014 | 05:47 AM
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Thanks ALPA - just saw that uniforms won't be required for KCM access beginning next month!
Old 12-16-2014 | 05:59 AM
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Mike,

If you are a fairly senior reserve in category there's probably a pretty good chance you can pick up some yellow slip flying on your reserve days to mitigate the pain of sitting in the crash pad. Sitting long call in NY is actually not so bad. You can hop on the subway and head downtown without having to worry about missing a call from scheduling. NYC ain't SAT, but I am sure you will find something to do for the one or two months you are on reserve up there.
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