Yup, parking the 747's with no similar paying replacements is coming true.

I guess we need to hurry up and say Yes right now, before we give more flying away via JV's!

Timbo, come on is that the best you can do. Do you honestly believe that parking some of the very oldest 747-400's flying is contract related? Are all the other airlines parking newer 747's also out to lunch? They were always planned to be parked by the end of 17. Now it's the start of 17. Post merger the plan was to park them sooner. They actually were extended.
Keep in mind the JV partners are also accelerating parking their 747's.

04-22-2015 | 04:37 AM

#181212

Timbo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by scambo1

I have to assume that the company isn't going to try to take away sick leave. So, what change would they make to try to put it in their favor?

If I'm sick, I'm not flying. What change would they make?

Check out the 'leaked' info on the chit chat forum. The company wants an 'outside party' to verify all sick leave over 100hrs.

Not YOUR doctor, but someone else.

04-22-2015 | 04:46 AM

#181213

Carl Spackler

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From: 747-400 Captain

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

The 30% number is utter BS. There is a minority that's under 10% that takes the majority of the sick leave used. It is however base dependant but one of those bases is NYC not a North base. The NWA sick leave conversion was explained many times on the old forum. It was not stolen.

Yes, it was stolen.

Carl

04-22-2015 | 04:52 AM

#181214

scambo1

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From: 777B

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timbo

Check out the 'leaked' info on the chit chat forum. The company wants an 'outside party' to verify all sick leave over 100hrs.

Not YOUR doctor, but someone else.

Will they pat us on the back and put an article in sky magazine telling everyone how important we are?

I've never been to the chit chat forum. I googled and nothing comes up.

04-22-2015 | 04:57 AM

#181215

Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by Timbo

Carl, just like C12K, it's the Company who wants 'speed', and notice they also want to cap our Profit sharing...Hmm...I wonder why they would want to hurry...

If they can get us to pay for our next raises, like we did in C12K, by making negative changes to our profit sharing, they will also make those changes company wide, i.e. all the Non-Contract people will lose out as well.

And then, in 2016, Delta earns $10 Billion.

And we're sucking wind, again.

Yeah, that's why the Company wants Speed.

No question that's why the company wants speed. But our "union" desperately wants it too. When Donatelli puts out talking points like this, it's as close to truthful and direct communication as he ever gets. He's trying to shape opinion on the importance of speed and saying yes...despite the fact that neither of those items ranked in the pilot surveys. Why would our "union" behave this way? The answer is because there's no difference between them. If the company has a priority, it becomes our "union's" priority. The only thing that remains is to shape opinion in an attempt to make it look like the pilot's will was considered.

Carl

04-22-2015 | 05:06 AM

#181216

Timbo

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From: Going to hell in a bucket, but enjoying the ride .

Quote:

Originally Posted by scambo1

Will they pat us on the back and put an article in sky magazine telling everyone how important we are?

I've never been to the chit chat forum. I googled and nothing comes up.

It's a private, Delta pilot only forum, you will need to register with your seniority number and your real name. There is some excellent info being posted there r.e. the Special MEC meeting yesterday.

Thehangar.forumchitchat.com.

04-22-2015 | 05:10 AM

#181217

maddogmax

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

Yes, it was stolen.

Carl

This will always be a sore point for a lot of North guy's. I guess the 1600+ hours I had accumulated went the way that my unused data on my phone plan goes away each month. And please don't tell me I flew sick to get those hours. I didn't.

04-22-2015 | 05:14 AM

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Splash

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From: Boeing Boss

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timbo

Check out the 'leaked' info on the chit chat forum. The company wants an 'outside party' to verify all sick leave over 100hrs.

Not YOUR doctor, but someone else.

My doctor is an outside party. No doctor or other party has the authority to tell a pilot that he/she is well enough to fly. The FAR's place the final authority on the airman. Period.

That will not change regardless of what is written in our PWA. The pay out or limits on sick hour accrual can be changed by us, but not the authority to determine if we are sick.

The pilots that have been terminated for abusing sick leave over the past several months weren't sent to doctors. Their activities while on sick leave nailed them.

04-22-2015 | 05:25 AM

#181219

GunshipGuy

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Happy Data Manipulation, errrr.... I mean Earth Day!

04-22-2015 | 05:27 AM

#181220

Carl Spackler

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Splash

My doctor is an outside party. No doctor or other party has the authority to tell a pilot that he/she is well enough to fly. The FAR's place the final authority on the airman. Period.

Nobody is saying otherwise.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Splash

That will not change regardless of what is written in our PWA. The pay out or limits on sick hour accrual can be changed by us, but not the authority to determine if we are sick.

The payout is what we're talking about Splash. I'm sure the company would be fine with reiterating that we are the final arbiters of being sick...as long as they are the final arbiters of whether you'll get paid anything for being sick. That's the issue.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Splash

The pilots that have been terminated for abusing sick leave over the past several months weren't sent to doctors. Their activities while on sick leave nailed them.

How many pilots have been terminated for abusing sick leave over the past several months?

Carl