Originally Posted by crewdawg

So the day after you winged, you could have just stopped showing up? Did you get out or stop flying before your contract expired? I signed a pilot contract for 10 years when I received my wings. That contract has not yet expired. I guess I could just stop showing up...but then I might be considered AWOL. I might be able to stop flying, but I'm physically able and that is the contract I signed with the AF (ANG). I simply responded to a direct quote that said "it is a choice"...inferring it's a continual choice. Saying that it's a choice based on them getting in 6-9 years ago, it about as asinine as the "commuting is a choice," crowd.

I think I need 4 days, at the Guard, to get the required sorties....my bosses think closer to 6. Right now I've just been working them on my off days because I can usually get a good line with a decent amount of days off. In the summer months, I usually bid off 2ish days and do the rest on my off days. I'm trying to do what's right for both masters. I don't MLOA weekends or holidays, I do what's required, participate in training events, help out when asked and deploy when required. I don't like being treated like an abuser because the of the actions of a few. So many screamed on here about how we shouldn't change sick leave based on the actions of a few sick leave abusers, yet are quick to lump mil guys in the MLOA abuser column. It would be cool to get some credit toward the trigger, but some of the points on here are valid and I'm just not sure how that would look.

My only complaint is vacation bidding. Last year, I happen to be deployed during the vacation bid window, meaning I was not allowed to bid. So when I got back, I was assigned whatever was leftover. I scored a sweet mid-Feb vacation when I could have held a summer vacation. Thanks to that deployment I was prorated 2 days, which I'm ok with. The crappy part is this meant I was only allowed to bid 1 week. So they let me bid my primary vacation and then they just tag the remaining 5 days onto that week. The catch is, BOTH weeks are required to be available. I would simply request to be able to bid 1 week in the primary and the remaining 5 days in the secondary...I really don't think that's asking too much. On top of that I'm fortunate enough to be deployed again during next years vacation bidding. So for 2018 vacation, looks like I'll get whats left over, once again...and only get to bid 1 week in the following vacation year. Oh well, I could be digging ditches.

Originally Posted by crewdawg

So the day after you winged, you could have just stopped showing up? Did you get out or stop flying before your contract expired? I signed a pilot contract for 10 years when I received my wings. That contract has not yet expired. I guess I could just stop showing up...but then I might be considered AWOL. I might be able to stop flying, but I'm physically able and that is the contract I signed with the AF (ANG). I simply responded to a direct quote that said "it is a choice"...inferring it's a continual choice. Saying that it's a choice based on them getting in 6-9 years ago, it about as asinine as the "commuting is a choice," crowd.

I think I need 4 days, at the Guard, to get the required sorties....my bosses think closer to 6. Right now I've just been working them on my off days because I can usually get a good line with a decent amount of days off. In the summer months, I usually bid off 2ish days and do the rest on my off days. I'm trying to do what's right for both masters. I don't MLOA weekends or holidays, I do what's required, participate in training events, help out when asked and deploy when required. I don't like being treated like an abuser because the of the actions of a few. So many screamed on here about how we shouldn't change sick leave based on the actions of a few sick leave abusers, yet are quick to lump mil guys in the MLOA abuser column. It would be cool to get some credit toward the trigger, but some of the points on here are valid and I'm just not sure how that would look.

My only complaint is vacation bidding. Last year, I happen to be deployed during the vacation bid window, meaning I was not allowed to bid. So when I got back, I was assigned whatever was leftover. I scored a sweet mid-Feb vacation when I could have held a summer vacation. Thanks to that deployment I was prorated 2 days, which I'm ok with. The crappy part is this meant I was only allowed to bid 1 week. So they let me bid my primary vacation and then they just tag the remaining 5 days onto that week. The catch is, BOTH weeks are required to be available. I would simply request to be able to bid 1 week in the primary and the remaining 5 days in the secondary...I really don't think that's asking too much. On top of that I'm fortunate enough to be deployed again during next years vacation bidding. So for 2018 vacation, looks like I'll get whats left over, once again...and only get to bid 1 week in the following vacation year. Oh well, I could be digging ditches.

Originally Posted by Denny Crane

Answer my question and I'll try to answer yours. To answer yours with any validity, we first have to know if you pre-posted your 14 day MLOA?

Denny

Originally Posted by Denny Crane

Sure it does or you wouldn't be advocating for it. In other words: If it doesn't enhance your opportunity, why do you care so much about it?

Denny

Originally Posted by BobZ

my point is not about you 'gaming' the system. it is about respecting the equity of opportunity of your fellow line pilots. that is what you apparently do not understand.

**I understand completely. Military leave is an opportunity available only to a select few who have chosen to serve while also working for Delta. It is not equitable. USERRA law offers protections available only to military members. That's the law of the land for good reason - not just to cater to we precious, entitled snowflakes. **

you are asking for accommodation that is unique to your circumstance, and not the entire group. and will no doubt come at the expense of fellow line pilots individually and as a whole.

**as is the case for other subsets of our seniority list, like instructors, ALPA reps, CPO volunteers and other committee members. These folks serve the membership directly in various ways. Military members serve the rest of the seniority list only indirectly as they are presumably US citizens. Some find value in this service while others may not (which might be said for ALPA reps too?).**

there are already substantial economic accommodation in the pwa for reservists. again.....predominately resulting from the support of pilots who would personally gain no benefit from such allowances.

**And I appreciate these provisions, as I have said before. Military service is clearly a benefit to me and my family. Unlike others still under a commitment, I serve completely voluntarily. Many of my friends do so while sacrificing much in overall compensation. **

btw....if you believe a line pilot on reserve feels you are doing him a favor by flying what would have been your trip....instead of simply spending the day at home....even short call.....I don't think you understand line pilots at all.

**Maybe I don't. I understand that you don't dig my act despite knowing almost nothing about me. I understand you have some preconceived notions about men and women who are younger than you...as as previous generations since before Plato's time have as well. I try not to stereotype by birth year when I can help it. I do know that when I am awarded 2 trips instead of 4 because of my military duty...and one or two others get a similar schedule...someone junior to us gets a line instead of reserve. I know that my brethren on MLOA for years at a time are each allow a pilot below them to move up a slot. I'm happy to play the tertiary effects game all day - my mil leave ain't all bad for others below me. **

Originally Posted by JamesBond

Suppose you are senior in category this coming summer. Everybody on the property that has been hired in the last 5 years will be waaaaaaay more senior than they were this time last year. You prepost 2 weeks in July for your mil leave. In weeks 3 and 4, you bid 2 Rome trips and put one of them on the swap board. It's gone by the time the electrons reach your eyes. You greenslip because your mil leave time then counts?

How about combine it with vacation? A week of vacation, and a week of mil leave will put you near the trigger.

I am sure there are other ways but those are two easy ones right off the top of my head.

Originally Posted by JamesBond

So your contract requires you to maintain a flying billet as a reservist? I don't think that was a requirement when I got out. I didn't even have to do active reserves. It sounds like you are not out of active duty military yet. It's tough having 2 full time jobs. All I know is that if I had it all to do over again I would stay in the reserves but get out of the military cockpit as soon as possible. jmho, ymmv.


And I am not throwing rocks at anybody here. I'm just trying to find out what the requirements are for reservists and it seems that they might have changed. As far as MLOA abusers I have heard stories of some, but I don't believe all are doing that and have never said as much.

Originally Posted by KnotSoFast

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You are delusional.

Or you have a very low knowledge base on the subject of credit.
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Originally Posted by KnotSoFast

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This is precisely the "entitlement" attitude I was referring to in an earlier post.

You think it is fair to non-military Delta pilots that you want CREDIT for LEAVE days you are NOT AT DELTA while you get full pay and benefits from Uncle Sam? Really?

Executive Summary --> "Credit" for "Leave" days?? YGBSM.

If I personal drop trips to generate my own leave days, I do NOT expect Delta to give me "Credit" for those days. BECAUSE I WON'T BE AT DELTA WORK. (Well, and also because I don't feel entitled)

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