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01-13-2017, 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by TED74
Sounds like you should advocate to have USERRA law changed. Civil servants who leave federal service for military duty return to that civil service and receive retirement contributions as those they had been working. Same with us here at Delta.
Any reason I should keep my seniority number when I leave for duty? Any reason I should get profit sharing or shared rewards? Get part of my medical and life insurance premiums paid for? Retain jumpseat privileges and non rev travel? Rather than banter with me about this little GS issue that will affect almost no one, I suspect you'd get more bang for your buck advocating for more significant changes and roll back our current protections.
Any reason I should keep my seniority number when I leave for duty? Any reason I should get profit sharing or shared rewards? Get part of my medical and life insurance premiums paid for? Retain jumpseat privileges and non rev travel? Rather than banter with me about this little GS issue that will affect almost no one, I suspect you'd get more bang for your buck advocating for more significant changes and roll back our current protections.
01-14-2017, 05:40 AM
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01-14-2017, 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by TED74
Is this scenario vastly different than if I have a month with no military duty, bid 4 Rome trips, put one on the swap board, and then GS?
01-14-2017, 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
Yes and it is not even close.
01-14-2017, 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by TED74
Could be both. If it helps to drop the concept of credit, I could just call it prorated GS trigger based on federally protected military service. The intent of USERRA law is paraphrased by "like you never left". The GS trigger is currently designed "like you were here the whole time, sitting on your arse".
Say the company went to a 3-month trigger and said you need to fly 240 hours in any three months to be eligible for GS in that period. If Captain Jones deploys to the horn of Africa in June and July, then flies 80 hours in August, I'd be A Okay with letting him be prorated-eligible for greenies in August. But I realize you think that is blasphemous entitlement. I'll agree to disagree. Lucky for you, the policy is as you'd like it.
Say the company went to a 3-month trigger and said you need to fly 240 hours in any three months to be eligible for GS in that period. If Captain Jones deploys to the horn of Africa in June and July, then flies 80 hours in August, I'd be A Okay with letting him be prorated-eligible for greenies in August. But I realize you think that is blasphemous entitlement. I'll agree to disagree. Lucky for you, the policy is as you'd like it.
01-14-2017, 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Hillbilly
Serious question. USERRA doesn't apply to just pilots, so assume you are not a pilot and don't work for Delta, but instead are in the Reserves or Guard and work for Coca-Cola as a full-time hourly employee. If you did 5 days one week (the days you usually worked for Coca-Cola) of Military duty and then worked the following 2 days for Coca-Cola, do you expect that Coca-Cola should pay you overtime wages for those 2 days because if you had been there and worked for Coca-Cola the prior 5 days (as if you never left) you would now be getting paid overtime? Would USERRA require that?
Green slips aren't overtime. They are premium pay to incentivize getting the company out of a pickle. I just want military members to have access to those opportunities like non military members. I'd even accept going to the back of the line behind those who are already scheduled to exceed the GS trigger without mil leave consideration.
01-14-2017, 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by TED74
Green slips aren't overtime. They are premium pay to incentivize getting the company out of a pickle. I just want military members to have access to those opportunities like non military members. I'd even accept going to the back of the line behind those who are already scheduled to exceed the GS trigger without mil leave consideration.
Perhaps and perhaps.
If you are a regular lineholder, green slips act as de facto "overtime"--because in order for the GS to pay premium, all the rest of your month must equal or exceed the GS trigger, which means that your GS that paid premium was for flying in addition to everything else.
There is ALREADY a mechanism in place for guys who take mil leave to get GS consideration per the contract, with premium pay included. It's called a reserve line. Outside this forum, I don't see any push by the company or the pilot group for mil leave to count against the regular line GS trigger. In fact in 20 years here I've never heard of the concept until recently on this site.
01-14-2017, 08:13 AM
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So hypothetically, I volunteer with an organization that works in the inner city feeding the homeless, finding medical care, jobs, & shelter for those in the lowest levels of society. We've brought back many who were circling the drain into vital, productive lives. We even broken up human trafficking rings. It is miserable, dangerous work. I tend to drop a trip or two a month to contribute positively to my community. Can I get credit for this volunteer work that will bring me up to the gs cutoff? Its the same thing right?
01-14-2017, 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by TED74
No and no.
Green slips aren't overtime. They are premium pay to incentivize getting the company out of a pickle. I just want military members to have access to those opportunities like non military members. I'd even accept going to the back of the line behind those who are already scheduled to exceed the GS trigger without mil leave consideration.
Green slips aren't overtime. They are premium pay to incentivize getting the company out of a pickle. I just want military members to have access to those opportunities like non military members. I'd even accept going to the back of the line behind those who are already scheduled to exceed the GS trigger without mil leave consideration.
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Best to stop digging at this point. It's not gonna happen.
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01-14-2017, 08:31 AM
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Can someone explain why a payload optimized flt. is poison to N/R's but if you spring for a P/S for less, it magically opens up?
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