Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
01-14-2017 | 07:33 AM
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Could be both. If it helps to drop the concept of credit, I could just call it prorated GS trigger based on federally protected military service. The intent of USERRA law is paraphrased by "like you never left". The GS trigger is currently designed "like you were here the whole time, sitting on your arse".
Say the company went to a 3-month trigger and said you need to fly 240 hours in any three months to be eligible for GS in that period. If Captain Jones deploys to the horn of Africa in June and July, then flies 80 hours in August, I'd be A Okay with letting him be prorated-eligible for greenies in August. But I realize you think that is blasphemous entitlement. I'll agree to disagree. Lucky for you, the policy is as you'd like it.
Say the company went to a 3-month trigger and said you need to fly 240 hours in any three months to be eligible for GS in that period. If Captain Jones deploys to the horn of Africa in June and July, then flies 80 hours in August, I'd be A Okay with letting him be prorated-eligible for greenies in August. But I realize you think that is blasphemous entitlement. I'll agree to disagree. Lucky for you, the policy is as you'd like it.
01-14-2017 | 07:40 AM
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Serious question. USERRA doesn't apply to just pilots, so assume you are not a pilot and don't work for Delta, but instead are in the Reserves or Guard and work for Coca-Cola as a full-time hourly employee. If you did 5 days one week (the days you usually worked for Coca-Cola) of Military duty and then worked the following 2 days for Coca-Cola, do you expect that Coca-Cola should pay you overtime wages for those 2 days because if you had been there and worked for Coca-Cola the prior 5 days (as if you never left) you would now be getting paid overtime? Would USERRA require that?
Green slips aren't overtime. They are premium pay to incentivize getting the company out of a pickle. I just want military members to have access to those opportunities like non military members. I'd even accept going to the back of the line behind those who are already scheduled to exceed the GS trigger without mil leave consideration.
01-14-2017 | 08:00 AM
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Green slips aren't overtime. They are premium pay to incentivize getting the company out of a pickle. I just want military members to have access to those opportunities like non military members. I'd even accept going to the back of the line behind those who are already scheduled to exceed the GS trigger without mil leave consideration.
Perhaps and perhaps.
If you are a regular lineholder, green slips act as de facto "overtime"--because in order for the GS to pay premium, all the rest of your month must equal or exceed the GS trigger, which means that your GS that paid premium was for flying in addition to everything else.
There is ALREADY a mechanism in place for guys who take mil leave to get GS consideration per the contract, with premium pay included. It's called a reserve line. Outside this forum, I don't see any push by the company or the pilot group for mil leave to count against the regular line GS trigger. In fact in 20 years here I've never heard of the concept until recently on this site.
01-14-2017 | 08:13 AM
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So hypothetically, I volunteer with an organization that works in the inner city feeding the homeless, finding medical care, jobs, & shelter for those in the lowest levels of society. We've brought back many who were circling the drain into vital, productive lives. We even broken up human trafficking rings. It is miserable, dangerous work. I tend to drop a trip or two a month to contribute positively to my community. Can I get credit for this volunteer work that will bring me up to the gs cutoff? Its the same thing right?
01-14-2017 | 08:14 AM
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No and no.
Green slips aren't overtime. They are premium pay to incentivize getting the company out of a pickle. I just want military members to have access to those opportunities like non military members. I'd even accept going to the back of the line behind those who are already scheduled to exceed the GS trigger without mil leave consideration.
Green slips aren't overtime. They are premium pay to incentivize getting the company out of a pickle. I just want military members to have access to those opportunities like non military members. I'd even accept going to the back of the line behind those who are already scheduled to exceed the GS trigger without mil leave consideration.
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Best to stop digging at this point. It's not gonna happen.
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01-14-2017 | 08:31 AM
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Can someone explain why a payload optimized flt. is poison to N/R's but if you spring for a P/S for less, it magically opens up?
01-14-2017 | 08:57 AM
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No and no.
Green slips aren't overtime. They are premium pay to incentivize getting the company out of a pickle. I just want military members to have access to those opportunities like non military members. I'd even accept going to the back of the line behind those who are already scheduled to exceed the GS trigger without mil leave consideration.
Green slips aren't overtime. They are premium pay to incentivize getting the company out of a pickle. I just want military members to have access to those opportunities like non military members. I'd even accept going to the back of the line behind those who are already scheduled to exceed the GS trigger without mil leave consideration.
01-14-2017 | 09:38 AM
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Mil Leave is exactly that... Leave... as someone who is still in their UPT commitment for 6-9 more weeks and a TR my entire career, to assume our mil leave should be credit towards green slips is one of the reasons we get highlighted as "those guys"... part of the job is the sacrifice of not just balancing a delta job, with that comes weekends away from home, deployments, etc... to think we are entitled to more than time away from Delta is an extremely arrogant thought. I'd stop talking asap.
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01-14-2017 | 09:53 AM
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just flew with a FO who spent 12 years 'susidizing' delta working for $20/hr at a regional. I think its only fair in light of his 'service and sacrifice' for the good of this pilot group...and the nation.....we install a 1.5 multiple on his monthly credit toward the gs trigger.
yeah....that's the ticket.
Last edited by BobZ; 01-14-2017 at 10:07 AM.
01-14-2017 | 10:06 AM
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and while we are at it.....a 50% reduction in the monthly gs trigger for all deadzoners......and I'm not joking with that one.
after all the DZ'nrs should have the same shot at achieving the level of retirement value as those newer pilots with a 16% DC and 10+ year active duty plus reserve service from the military.
I mean....fair is fair.
after all the DZ'nrs should have the same shot at achieving the level of retirement value as those newer pilots with a 16% DC and 10+ year active duty plus reserve service from the military.
I mean....fair is fair.
Last edited by BobZ; 01-14-2017 at 10:46 AM.
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