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Old 02-22-2017, 12:12 PM
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Naive question, dont you need a reason to go on disability?
You are Naive! Not to mention when you get over 55 all many pilots need to do is be honest at medical time. Those that don't have a medical issue will create one. It was very lucrative for former Pan Am pilots to go disability rather then retire. probably 3 out of 4 went out disabled. Some guys have no trouble at all looking themselves in the mirror doing that kind of stuff. I really admired some of the Pan Am guys who retired and left a 100,000 a year on the table. It's called character and some had it.
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Old 02-22-2017, 12:37 PM
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Anything new on our proposed JV with KE talks?
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Old 02-22-2017, 01:44 PM
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You are Naive! Not to mention when you get over 55 all many pilots need to do is be honest at medical time. Those that don't have a medical issue will create one. It was very lucrative for former Pan Am pilots to go disability rather then retire. probably 3 out of 4 went out disabled. Some guys have no trouble at all looking themselves in the mirror doing that kind of stuff. I really admired some of the Pan Am guys who retired and left a 100,000 a year on the table. It's called character and some had it.
well....when your failed model union negotiated retirement magically vanishes, many were left with very tough choices.

So save the 'looking in the mirror' moralizing. Unless you want to open the conversation on national officers dues paid pension plan...when virtually none of the member pilot groups have such a benefit.

You would have to go out in a seat position that had no age 60 mandatory retirement qualifier. So a double down bid to the SO seat was the mechanism.
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Old 02-22-2017, 03:15 PM
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got a question for those that know better than myself. I received an award yesterday and had a qualifier in. Running the numbers today and using John Bell's AE spreadsheets I'm showing a worse projected percentage than what I had in using today's numbers and projected category lists. What does the company use to project %? Are they accounting for newhires that have yet to be put on the equipment?
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Old 02-22-2017, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Scooter432 View Post
got a question for those that know better than myself. I received an award yesterday and had a qualifier in. Running the numbers today and using John Bell's AE spreadsheets I'm showing a worse projected percentage than what I had in using today's numbers and projected category lists. What does the company use to project %? Are they accounting for newhires that have yet to be put on the equipment?
Yes, use the 2017 projected category numbers based on the initial posting of the AE.
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Old 02-22-2017, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Scooter432 View Post
got a question for those that know better than myself. I received an award yesterday and had a qualifier in. Running the numbers today and using John Bell's AE spreadsheets I'm showing a worse projected percentage than what I had in using today's numbers and projected category lists. What does the company use to project %? Are they accounting for newhires that have yet to be put on the equipment?
had the same thing and called crew resources today. They count every unfilled spot as a new hire below you.
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Old 02-22-2017, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by BobZ View Post
well....when your failed model union negotiated retirement magically vanishes, many were left with very tough choices.

So save the 'looking in the mirror' moralizing. Unless you want to open the conversation on national officers dues paid pension plan...when virtually none of the member pilot groups have such a benefit.

You would have to go out in a seat position that had no age 60 mandatory retirement qualifier. So a double down bid to the SO seat was the mechanism.
That is exactly what they did.
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Old 02-22-2017, 04:08 PM
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had the same thing and called crew resources today. They count every unfilled spot as a new hire below you.
ok cool..that is what I figured. All good until they don't fill those spots with newhires ha. They better pile them on because by my calculations I'm about 7% worse off.
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Old 02-22-2017, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by BobZ View Post
well....when your failed model union negotiated retirement magically vanishes, many were left with very tough choices.

So save the 'looking in the mirror' moralizing. Unless you want to open the conversation on national officers dues paid pension plan...when virtually none of the member pilot groups have such a benefit.

You would have to go out in a seat position that had no age 60 mandatory retirement qualifier. So a double down bid to the SO seat was the mechanism.
Additionally putting Pan Am pilots behind Dl pilots that had not even been hired...that tends to make that reflection in the mirror not worry as much.
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Old 02-22-2017, 06:13 PM
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