Effing idiots. There was no reason to be flying through that area. They were very lucky they didn't kill 150+ people.

I've flown with guys who seem to like to get the wingtip as close as they can to the storm when they deviate. Why I will never know.

08-08-2015 | 03:11 PM

#184672

Imapilot2

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From: Captain Jack

Quote:

Originally Posted by DENpilot

Is what happened bad? Yep. However you weren't there. Or are you telling me you're going off some weather service history maps and some FlightAware positions and determining what they actually went through? YGTBSM. I'd be real careful about Monday Morning Quarterbacking that.

08-08-2015 | 03:22 PM

#184673

deadseal

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From: systems analyst

Quote:

Originally Posted by Imapilot2

Valid.... Until the safety board or whatever the civilian version of that is, comes out, it's probably a little arrogant to assume what happened.

08-09-2015 | 01:21 AM

#184674

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Originally Posted by gloopy

These are not the times to be skimping on much needed reinvestment and "going on the cheap" for anything safety or infrastructure related. Everything like this should be done and paid for before dollar one of peak value share buybacks happens.

I hope our union uses this opportunity to ensure we spend the money to upgrade our radars ASAP.

The A 320 radar is by far the worst of any aircraft I have flown. Worthless in many situations.

08-09-2015 | 02:33 AM

#184675

MikeF16

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From: Turkish Pile Driver

Quote:

Originally Posted by DENpilot

Maybe the safety board will prove you right, maybe not. Way too early to pass judgement. I can't imagine the stress they are going through right now.

Just because you got hired by a company that by our own words apparently likes to hire idiots, it doesn't mean every other company does the same. Dry hail is extremely difficult to detect on airborne RADAR. I wasn't there anymore than you so I'm certainly not saying this was the case; but, if it was they may have had very little to no warning at all.

edit: for your reading pleasure
http://www.nws.noaa.gov/os/aviation/...4dec-front.pdf

08-09-2015 | 05:30 AM

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jamesrhatcher

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Originally Posted by iceman49

Wonder if they were on the downwind side, if so how many miles. WXR2100 multiscan is an awesome radar.

A good conservative rule of thumb that I use is never fly downwind of a cell if at all possible. On occasions where flying upwind of the cell isn't possible, I use 1 nm per knot of wind coming off the cell for minimum distance for avoidance. For example, if winds coming off a cell are showing 85 knots, I'll pass at least 85 nm from the cell, but never less than 25 when above FL250. Also, I read that the flight was running about 90 minutes behind schedule. I wonder how much, if any, the pressure to make up time and get back on schedule played in this event. Here's an excellent tool I use in my flight planning: Storm Prediction Center Convective Outlooks

I hope some of this is helpful.

08-09-2015 | 06:07 AM

#184677

Klondike Bear

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From: Stretch DC-9 Gear Slinger

Letting us get on the Internet and pull up a radar map on the surface would go along way to mitigating these issues. When you have two holes to go through and you just have to pick one is a gamble. We need to stack the cards more in our deck. They could give us a password to use today for the wifi.

08-09-2015 | 06:21 AM

#184678

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From: Light Chop

When Crew Scheduling has their Christmas party this year and decides to play the best calls of 2015... I might be one off them.

It was like 2am and my wife wakes me up. At that moment, I didn't who she was.

She said it was Delta. I had no idea who that was either.

She said it was scheduling. This isn't getting any better.

Then I don't know what I said. My wife the next day said she was listening to me talk and felt like saying "WAKE UP! WAKE UP!"

He mentioned a green slip. So I told him didn't I just pick up a 2 day white slip? he said no. And he was right. I have no idea why I said that.

He told me it was a green slip. I said okay.

And I'm not sure what happened next. Or how it ended. But I did do the trip.

For the record, I don't drink. And I never will.

08-09-2015 | 06:22 AM

#184679

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From: Light Chop

I just double posted. Everything is going wrong.

08-09-2015 | 06:56 AM

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DeadHead

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On that topic....is there an official wait time they need to wait before moving onto the next in line for a GS? I believe it's 10 minutes, but not sure if that is an official number.

I guess GS w/conflict has no wait time....basically you don't answer, scheduling moves on.

Still learning the hard way after all these years.