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dbrownie 07-02-2016 08:24 AM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 2154631)
OR...you could stay home this weekend, celebrate the 4th, and enjoy your time off. Oh, you'd be helping our negotiators at the table as well.

Remember when guys would brag about their days off instead of the extra flying they do?

Timbo 07-02-2016 09:58 AM


Originally Posted by dbrownie (Post 2154904)
Remember when guys would brag about their days off instead of the extra flying they do?


Yup, that's what 10 years of 'no cap' flying has done to us, we've become addicted to 90+ hour months. We should be looking to lower the ALV's, instead we give the company more and more with every new TA, and the P2P swap board removes any cap at all. We are flying to the FAR's, and the company loves it! 20% fewer pilots they have to hire and train.

Remember when one week of vacation meant at least two weeks off, even on domestic? Now we can pick up MORE flying when we have a week of vacation! It's nuts.

Dirtdiver 07-02-2016 04:41 PM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 2154954)
Yup, that's what 10 years of 'no cap' flying has done to us, we've become addicted to 90+ hour months. We should be looking to lower the ALV's, instead we give the company more and more with every new TA, and the P2P swap board removes any cap at all. We are flying to the FAR's, and the company loves it! 20% fewer pilots they have to hire and train.

Remember when one week of vacation meant at least two weeks off, even on domestic? Now we can pick up MORE flying when we have a week of vacation! It's nuts.

Max pick up is max, no matter how you get there!

First step is to get guys to stop OBWS. Sure, it's legal in the contract, so is GS with guys furloughed

hockeypilot44 07-02-2016 05:32 PM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 2154954)
Yup, that's what 10 years of 'no cap' flying has done to us, we've become addicted to 90+ hour months. We should be looking to lower the ALV's, instead we give the company more and more with every new TA, and the P2P swap board removes any cap at all. We are flying to the FAR's, and the company loves it! 20% fewer pilots they have to hire and train.

Remember when one week of vacation meant at least two weeks off, even on domestic? Now we can pick up MORE flying when we have a week of vacation! It's nuts.

This is a great post. I can't even remember last time a pilot bragged about how many days off he had. Everyone brags about how much credit they can get. I fly with pilots who will say, "I have the next 8 days off, but I'm going to try for a greenslip next couple days. If that fails, I'll just white slip or pick something off swap board. I only have 80 hours this month." The days of everyone making the same amount of money, 70 hours per month, sure would be nice.

Trip7 07-02-2016 05:58 PM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 2155146)
This is a great post. I can't even remember last time a pilot bragged about how many days off he had. Everyone brags about how much credit they can get. I fly with pilots who will say, "I have the next 8 days off, but I'm going to try for a greenslip next couple days. If that fails, I'll just white slip or pick something off swap board. I only have 80 hours this month." The days of everyone making the same amount of money, 70 hours per month, sure would be nice.

Different strokes for different folks. I won't knock the pilot that could care less about passing up $3000+ GS because he's out fishing and won't knock the pilot hustling for 150+ credit each month. 13,000 different pilots, 13,000 different motivations.

hockeypilot44 07-02-2016 06:11 PM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 2155156)
Different strokes for different folks. I won't knock the pilot that could care less about passing up $3000+ GS because he's out fishing and won't knock the pilot hustling for 150+ credit each month. 13,000 different pilots, 13,000 different motivations.

You missed the point of the post completely.

Timbo 07-02-2016 06:40 PM

The reason we had a 75 hour cap for the last 50 years was:

1.SAFETY (to keep the company from making us fly tired)

2. To keep us from eating our young.

For years the max flying time per year was 1000 hours, which works out to about 82 per month.

Now we have PBS with no cap other than the FAR's. You want to fly 92 a month for the next 30 years? See how that works for you when you're 64, if you live that long. That guys willingly fly over 75 at straight rates baffles me, but I grew up with the old school, 75 hour cap, where I rarely worked more than 12 days a month, even as a new hire.

TED74 07-02-2016 07:59 PM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 2155173)
That guys willingly fly over 75 at straight rates baffles me, but I grew up with the old school, 75 hour cap, where I rarely worked more than 12 days a month, even as a new hire.

I don't think most new hires have any concept of this. Military types are just glad not to be in the sand box for 179 days straight (or working 7 days a week when stateside), and regional pilots who survived their hellish lost decade are thrilled to make it to big D. Keep spreading the good word on how good this job has been and should again become; heavens knows the profits are there to make it so.

Being a CEO ain't like it used to be either, ya know...

tomgoodman 07-02-2016 08:17 PM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 2155173)
The reason we had a 75 hour cap for the last 50 years was:

1.SAFETY (to keep the company from making us fly tired)

2. To keep us from eating our young.

For years the max flying time per year was 1000 hours, which works out to about 82 per month.

Now we have PBS with no cap other than the FAR's. You want to fly 92 a month for the next 30 years? See how that works for you when you're 64, if you live that long. That guys willingly fly over 75 at straight rates baffles me, but I grew up with the old school, 75 hour cap, where I rarely worked more than 12 days a month, even as a new hire.

The slower upgrades which result when everybody senior to you flies max hours can give you a career of less pay for more work. How many green slips are needed to offset each additional year in the right seat? :(

marcal 07-03-2016 03:23 AM

I think the addiction of credit hours is obviously a result of the pay cuts over the last decade. Sure, everyone would love to fly 75 hrs but if you have a mortgage, kids, etc it's almost impossible to make a living on just 75 hours(at least on a narrow body in a medium to high cost of living area).


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