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Gets Weekends Off
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Yup, that's what 10 years of 'no cap' flying has done to us, we've become addicted to 90+ hour months. We should be looking to lower the ALV's, instead we give the company more and more with every new TA, and the P2P swap board removes any cap at all. We are flying to the FAR's, and the company loves it! 20% fewer pilots they have to hire and train.
Remember when one week of vacation meant at least two weeks off, even on domestic? Now we can pick up MORE flying when we have a week of vacation! It's nuts.
Remember when one week of vacation meant at least two weeks off, even on domestic? Now we can pick up MORE flying when we have a week of vacation! It's nuts.
This is a great post. I can't even remember last time a pilot bragged about how many days off he had. Everyone brags about how much credit they can get. I fly with pilots who will say, "I have the next 8 days off, but I'm going to try for a greenslip next couple days. If that fails, I'll just white slip or pick something off swap board. I only have 80 hours this month." The days of everyone making the same amount of money, 70 hours per month, sure would be nice.
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You missed the point of the post completely.
Runs with scissors
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From: Going to hell in a bucket, but enjoying the ride .
The reason we had a 75 hour cap for the last 50 years was:
1.SAFETY (to keep the company from making us fly tired)
2. To keep us from eating our young.
For years the max flying time per year was 1000 hours, which works out to about 82 per month.
Now we have PBS with no cap other than the FAR's. You want to fly 92 a month for the next 30 years? See how that works for you when you're 64, if you live that long. That guys willingly fly over 75 at straight rates baffles me, but I grew up with the old school, 75 hour cap, where I rarely worked more than 12 days a month, even as a new hire.
1.SAFETY (to keep the company from making us fly tired)
2. To keep us from eating our young.
For years the max flying time per year was 1000 hours, which works out to about 82 per month.
Now we have PBS with no cap other than the FAR's. You want to fly 92 a month for the next 30 years? See how that works for you when you're 64, if you live that long. That guys willingly fly over 75 at straight rates baffles me, but I grew up with the old school, 75 hour cap, where I rarely worked more than 12 days a month, even as a new hire.
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Being a CEO ain't like it used to be either, ya know...
The reason we had a 75 hour cap for the last 50 years was:
1.SAFETY (to keep the company from making us fly tired)
2. To keep us from eating our young.
For years the max flying time per year was 1000 hours, which works out to about 82 per month.
Now we have PBS with no cap other than the FAR's. You want to fly 92 a month for the next 30 years? See how that works for you when you're 64, if you live that long. That guys willingly fly over 75 at straight rates baffles me, but I grew up with the old school, 75 hour cap, where I rarely worked more than 12 days a month, even as a new hire.
1.SAFETY (to keep the company from making us fly tired)
2. To keep us from eating our young.
For years the max flying time per year was 1000 hours, which works out to about 82 per month.
Now we have PBS with no cap other than the FAR's. You want to fly 92 a month for the next 30 years? See how that works for you when you're 64, if you live that long. That guys willingly fly over 75 at straight rates baffles me, but I grew up with the old school, 75 hour cap, where I rarely worked more than 12 days a month, even as a new hire.
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I think the addiction of credit hours is obviously a result of the pay cuts over the last decade. Sure, everyone would love to fly 75 hrs but if you have a mortgage, kids, etc it's almost impossible to make a living on just 75 hours(at least on a narrow body in a medium to high cost of living area).
Gets Weekends Off
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This is a great post. I can't even remember last time a pilot bragged about how many days off he had. Everyone brags about how much credit they can get. I fly with pilots who will say, "I have the next 8 days off, but I'm going to try for a greenslip next couple days. If that fails, I'll just white slip or pick something off swap board. I only have 80 hours this month." The days of everyone making the same amount of money, 70 hours per month, sure would be nice.
So this month (July) is the third straight that I will be on reserve by choice. Due to vacation I was able to create a reserve line where I am never on call more than three days at a time. The same was the case in June.
My philosophy? If the company insists on only building 4-5 day trips--in a domestic category no less--then I will use the contractual rules available to me (min on call day rule of 3 for reserve line construction in domestic categories...if you don't understand that sentence read the PBS Gouge) to never be on call more than three days at a time!
In June, between that, being appropriately staffed, and nine days of vacation, I flew seven total days. Some of that flying was easy stuff too. I got the reserve guarantee plus vacation for a monthly value of around 85 hours or so.
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Yup, that's what 10 years of 'no cap' flying has done to us, we've become addicted to 90+ hour months. We should be looking to lower the ALV's, instead we give the company more and more with every new TA, and the P2P swap board removes any cap at all. We are flying to the FAR's, and the company loves it! 20% fewer pilots they have to hire and train.
Remember when one week of vacation meant at least two weeks off, even on domestic? Now we can pick up MORE flying when we have a week of vacation! It's nuts.
Remember when one week of vacation meant at least two weeks off, even on domestic? Now we can pick up MORE flying when we have a week of vacation! It's nuts.
Runs with scissors
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From: Going to hell in a bucket, but enjoying the ride .
OK, make it optional, choose which plan you want to stay with, today's DC, or the old 60% FAE DB plan.
I choose DB.
Delta can have all the DC money Delta has paid me, and I'll give back the Note, Claim, MPP, and any PBGC money too.
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