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07-02-2016, 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
Good point scambo. Anything allowed per the contract is permissible.
07-02-2016, 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
OR...you could stay home this weekend, celebrate the 4th, and enjoy your time off. Oh, you'd be helping our negotiators at the table as well.
07-02-2016, 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by dbrownie
Remember when guys would brag about their days off instead of the extra flying they do?
Yup, that's what 10 years of 'no cap' flying has done to us, we've become addicted to 90+ hour months. We should be looking to lower the ALV's, instead we give the company more and more with every new TA, and the P2P swap board removes any cap at all. We are flying to the FAR's, and the company loves it! 20% fewer pilots they have to hire and train.
Remember when one week of vacation meant at least two weeks off, even on domestic? Now we can pick up MORE flying when we have a week of vacation! It's nuts.
07-02-2016, 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
Yup, that's what 10 years of 'no cap' flying has done to us, we've become addicted to 90+ hour months. We should be looking to lower the ALV's, instead we give the company more and more with every new TA, and the P2P swap board removes any cap at all. We are flying to the FAR's, and the company loves it! 20% fewer pilots they have to hire and train.
Remember when one week of vacation meant at least two weeks off, even on domestic? Now we can pick up MORE flying when we have a week of vacation! It's nuts.
Remember when one week of vacation meant at least two weeks off, even on domestic? Now we can pick up MORE flying when we have a week of vacation! It's nuts.
First step is to get guys to stop OBWS. Sure, it's legal in the contract, so is GS with guys furloughed
07-02-2016, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
Yup, that's what 10 years of 'no cap' flying has done to us, we've become addicted to 90+ hour months. We should be looking to lower the ALV's, instead we give the company more and more with every new TA, and the P2P swap board removes any cap at all. We are flying to the FAR's, and the company loves it! 20% fewer pilots they have to hire and train.
Remember when one week of vacation meant at least two weeks off, even on domestic? Now we can pick up MORE flying when we have a week of vacation! It's nuts.
Remember when one week of vacation meant at least two weeks off, even on domestic? Now we can pick up MORE flying when we have a week of vacation! It's nuts.
07-02-2016, 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
This is a great post. I can't even remember last time a pilot bragged about how many days off he had. Everyone brags about how much credit they can get. I fly with pilots who will say, "I have the next 8 days off, but I'm going to try for a greenslip next couple days. If that fails, I'll just white slip or pick something off swap board. I only have 80 hours this month." The days of everyone making the same amount of money, 70 hours per month, sure would be nice.
07-02-2016, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
Different strokes for different folks. I won't knock the pilot that could care less about passing up $3000+ GS because he's out fishing and won't knock the pilot hustling for 150+ credit each month. 13,000 different pilots, 13,000 different motivations.
07-02-2016, 06:40 PM
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The reason we had a 75 hour cap for the last 50 years was:
1.SAFETY (to keep the company from making us fly tired)
2. To keep us from eating our young.
For years the max flying time per year was 1000 hours, which works out to about 82 per month.
Now we have PBS with no cap other than the FAR's. You want to fly 92 a month for the next 30 years? See how that works for you when you're 64, if you live that long. That guys willingly fly over 75 at straight rates baffles me, but I grew up with the old school, 75 hour cap, where I rarely worked more than 12 days a month, even as a new hire.
1.SAFETY (to keep the company from making us fly tired)
2. To keep us from eating our young.
For years the max flying time per year was 1000 hours, which works out to about 82 per month.
Now we have PBS with no cap other than the FAR's. You want to fly 92 a month for the next 30 years? See how that works for you when you're 64, if you live that long. That guys willingly fly over 75 at straight rates baffles me, but I grew up with the old school, 75 hour cap, where I rarely worked more than 12 days a month, even as a new hire.
07-02-2016, 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
That guys willingly fly over 75 at straight rates baffles me, but I grew up with the old school, 75 hour cap, where I rarely worked more than 12 days a month, even as a new hire.
Being a CEO ain't like it used to be either, ya know...
07-02-2016, 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
The reason we had a 75 hour cap for the last 50 years was:
1.SAFETY (to keep the company from making us fly tired)
2. To keep us from eating our young.
For years the max flying time per year was 1000 hours, which works out to about 82 per month.
Now we have PBS with no cap other than the FAR's. You want to fly 92 a month for the next 30 years? See how that works for you when you're 64, if you live that long. That guys willingly fly over 75 at straight rates baffles me, but I grew up with the old school, 75 hour cap, where I rarely worked more than 12 days a month, even as a new hire.
1.SAFETY (to keep the company from making us fly tired)
2. To keep us from eating our young.
For years the max flying time per year was 1000 hours, which works out to about 82 per month.
Now we have PBS with no cap other than the FAR's. You want to fly 92 a month for the next 30 years? See how that works for you when you're 64, if you live that long. That guys willingly fly over 75 at straight rates baffles me, but I grew up with the old school, 75 hour cap, where I rarely worked more than 12 days a month, even as a new hire.
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