Go Back  Airline Pilot Central Forums > Airline Pilot Forums > Major > Delta
Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta? >

Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?

Search

Notices

Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 07-03-2016 | 04:46 AM
  #189501  
Moderator
 
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 7,263
Likes: 105
From: DAL 330
Default

Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
This is a great post. I can't even remember last time a pilot bragged about how many days off he had. Everyone brags about how much credit they can get. I fly with pilots who will say, "I have the next 8 days off, but I'm going to try for a greenslip next couple days. If that fails, I'll just white slip or pick something off swap board. I only have 80 hours this month." The days of everyone making the same amount of money, 70 hours per month, sure would be nice.


OK - I will try to start a trend. Only awarded 1 five day trip in July and that is all I am working.

Scoop
Old 07-03-2016 | 05:09 AM
  #189502  
iaflyer's Avatar
seeing the country...
15 Years
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 4,014
Likes: 41
From: 73N A
Default

Originally Posted by Timbo
Same for me. I had the same response from a couple of my reps too, and the same response to restoring our DB plan! "There are a lot of other guys who don't want the DB plan restored...."

OK, make it optional, choose which plan you want to stay with, today's DC, or the old 60% FAE DB plan.

I choose DB.

Delta can have all the DC money Delta has paid me, and I'll give back the Note, Claim, MPP, and any PBGC money too.
I understand why you want your DB. My concern would be the ongoing viability of the DB - yes, we are profitable and have a competent management team right now.

What happens when Norwegian or Emirates starts flying JFK-LAX through some scheme, and we start losing billions? What happens when some corporate raider or unethical management comes in and drains the company, sells assets and underfunds the pension? etc, etc.
Imagine the company comes to us and says, "we can't pay these pay rates and have a pension. 50% pay cuts to save the pension or we terminate it."

I really prefer to have a DC, that is in my name, that can't be screwed with by the company.
Old 07-03-2016 | 05:53 AM
  #189503  
scambo1's Avatar
The Brown Dot +1
 
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 7,775
Likes: 0
From: 777B
Default

Originally Posted by Scoop
OK - I will try to start a trend. Only awarded 1 five day trip in July and that is all I am working.

Scoop
6 days in may, 5 days in apr. if I play my cards right, it'll be zero days in july except for bounces in the sim.
Old 07-03-2016 | 07:21 AM
  #189504  
Timbo's Avatar
Runs with scissors
 
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 7,847
Likes: 0
From: Going to hell in a bucket, but enjoying the ride .
Default

Originally Posted by iaflyer
I understand why you want your DB. My concern would be the ongoing viability of the DB - yes, we are profitable and have a competent management team right now.

What happens when Norwegian or Emirates starts flying JFK-LAX through some scheme, and we start losing billions? What happens when some corporate raider or unethical management comes in and drains the company, sells assets and underfunds the pension? etc, etc.
Imagine the company comes to us and says, "we can't pay these pay rates and have a pension. 50% pay cuts to save the pension or we terminate it."

I really prefer to have a DC, that is in my name, that can't be screwed with by the company.
I understand your concerns, but if Congress would change the funding rules and require our DB plans to be fully funded prior to any stock buybacks, and untouchable in bankruptcy, then you wouldn't have as much to worry about.

Back in 2008, when the stock market was collapsing and big brokerage houses were going under, do you know why AIG survived?

Because AIG bank insures the retirement plans for....

Congress.
Old 07-03-2016 | 07:48 AM
  #189505  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 922
Likes: 0
From: Decoupled
Default

In the past I have been hard over on no DB plan. Of course, this is due to my personal negative experience. My views have changed.

I think we need to explore a cafeteria type plan on retirement. Maybe a partial DB plan? 30% FAE instead of 60% and DC. Maybe even an annuity. You want all DB, fine. You want partial DB, fine. You want an annuity, fine. You want a partial annuity, fine. The possibilities are endless. What fits one doesn't fit the other. IMO, a spreading of the risk would be a good thing for everyone. The Company, too.

I now support exploring additional options. Choice is a good thing.
Old 07-03-2016 | 07:59 AM
  #189506  
JamesBond's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 7,292
Likes: 0
From: A350 Both
Default

Originally Posted by Timbo
Because AIG bank insures the retirement plans for....

Congress.
Do you have supporting information for this?

Here ya go:
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/02/aig-bailout/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ions-congress/
Old 07-03-2016 | 08:14 AM
  #189507  
Timbo's Avatar
Runs with scissors
 
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 7,847
Likes: 0
From: Going to hell in a bucket, but enjoying the ride .
Default

Originally Posted by JamesBond
Do you have supporting information for this?

Here ya go:
AIG Bailout
AIG does not insure the pensions of Congress | PolitiFact
Just like you, I read it on the internet, so it must be true!

FULL ANSWER
American International Group Inc. was the recipient of a government "bailout" of about $85 billion back in September of last year. But the loan that was extended to the failing insurance company was not the work of the U.S. Congress. The deal was brokered by the Federal Reserve with the backing of the Treasury Department. In fact, some members of Congress were not at all supportive of the deal.
Furthermore, the decision to lend the company money could have nothing to do with pensions for members of Congress. AIG does not insure the pension trust fund that covers members of Congress and other federal employees. AIG spokesman Peter Tulupman dismissed the claim as "an unsubstantiated rumor." And Kathy McGettigan, deputy associate director of the Office of Personnel Management’s Center for Retirement and Insurance Services, told FactCheck.org: "No one insures that fund. The fund’s assets are backed by the earned benefits of [federal] employees. The fund itself is not insured."
-D’Angelo Gore
Clarification, Feb. 12: In early November, the Federal Reserve announced a restructuring of its support of AIG. The U.S. Treasury Dept. purchased $40 billion of preferred shares of AIG, reducing the Fed’s bailout to $60 billion. The money the Treasury used came from the Troubled Asset Relief Program, which Congress had passed Oct. 3, 2008. But Congress didn’t stipulate where the money would go. It was the Treasury’s decision to give $40 billion to AIG.
Sources

Andrews, Edmund L., Michael J. de la Merced and Mary Williams Walsh. "Fed’s $85 Billion Loan Rescues Insurer." New York Times, 16 Sept. 2008.
Office of Personnel Management. "Agency Financial Report: Fiscal Year 2008."
Old 07-03-2016 | 08:23 AM
  #189508  
JamesBond's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 7,292
Likes: 0
From: A350 Both
Default

My question from the start was why would congress bother to insure their pension when they can just steal more from the taxpayers when it runs short? Let's send Rubio packing in November. And then Bill Nelson in 2 years
Old 07-03-2016 | 01:04 PM
  #189509  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 770
Likes: 0
Default

On my PBS calendar, there is a note in each day: 365B: 51:40.

I think it refers to to rolling 365 day block.

Anybody know what 365B 51:40 means and will it have any impact on my August bidding?
Old 07-03-2016 | 05:49 PM
  #189510  
Line Holder
Veteran: Air Force
50 Countries Visited
 
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 1,308
Likes: 51
Default

Big news on VA Ave. Grand opening of a Mellow Mushroom tomorrow, July 4th. It's just past the Happy Buddha.
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
On Autopilot
Regional
22617
11-05-2021 07:03 AM
AeroCrewSolut
Delta
153
08-14-2018 12:18 PM
Bill Lumberg
Major
71
06-13-2012 08:36 AM
Quagmire
Major
253
04-16-2011 06:19 AM
JiffyLube
Major
12
03-07-2008 04:27 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Your Privacy Choices