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Chakerik 12-05-2016 01:00 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2256298)
You have a one year seat lock on the 88. You can bid to any other base that has 88's. I would also bid SLC as your first choice since crew Skeds can release a seat lock. That's unlikely however if you don't ask you won't get.

Last Ae I think I saw a handful of 88 new hires get the er in LA. Surprising things like that seem to be happening lately. Next AE will be very interesting.

tunes 12-05-2016 01:11 PM


Originally Posted by Chakerik (Post 2256336)
Last Ae I think I saw a handful of 88 new hires get the er in LA. Surprising things like that seem to be happening lately. Next AE will be very interesting.



And they were also canceled after it was realized what they did...


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Chakerik 12-05-2016 01:53 PM


Originally Posted by tunes (Post 2256351)
And they were also canceled after it was realized what they did...


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Interesting. Didn't know about that.

bentwookie 12-05-2016 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by FL370esq (Post 2256291)
You can bid to any M88 base regardless of seat lock. However, SLC isn't a realistic option until May 2017 per the deferred implementation MOU.

That being said, put your SLC preferences in on the AE template (above MSP) in the extremely unlikely event the company decides to let you out of your seat lock.

Thanks so much for the help. Excuse my ignorance, but can you explain what the deferred implementation of MOU is, and how it will change my seat-lock in May?

FL370esq 12-05-2016 03:31 PM


Originally Posted by bentwookie (Post 2256434)
Thanks so much for the help. Excuse my ignorance, but can you explain what the deferred implementation of MOU is, and how it will change my seat-lock in May?

No worries. And no excuse required.

When we ratified the TA on December 1st, not everything in the new PWA took effect as of that date - some provisions were deferred. Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) 16-02 is the document (found near the end of the new PWA) which lists the new provisions (by section) that didn't become effective on December 1st and it lists the "no later than" dates each of those provisions will become effective.

One of the deferred items is the agreed-upon changes to category freezes (PWA Section 22.G). That new language is to become effective NLT the May 2017 bid period which obviously means it could become effective sooner. Under the new language:

"A pilot who is in the last 12 months of such category freeze may be awarded an AE or VD to another base for which qualification training is required if he is unable to be awarded an AE or VD to such base in his current position in a given posting. In such event, the balance of his existing category freeze will be added to the category freeze resulting from the new position award."

This section would apply to your quest to get to SLC because you only incurred a 12 month seat freeze therefore you are in the last 12 months of your category freeze and you would be "unable to be awarded an AE or VD to such base in his current position in a given posting" because there is no M88 category in SLC. Therefore, under this new provision, you can be awarded any seat in SLC that your seniority allows you to hold. The only "caveat" is that you will have to tack on any remaining seat freeze to your new AE.

GivemeVSP 12-05-2016 03:47 PM

There's gotta be a good story behind Seniority #13748 having a DOH of 9/7/2010 or just a typo

captkdobbs 12-05-2016 05:24 PM


Originally Posted by FL370esq (Post 2256468)
...
One of the deferred items is the agreed-upon changes to category freezes (PWA Section 22.G). That new language is to become effective NLT the May 2017 bid period which obviously means it could become effective sooner. Under the new language:

"A pilot who is in the last 12 months of such category freeze may be awarded an AE or VD to another base for which qualification training is required if he is unable to be awarded an AE or VD to such base in his current position in a given posting. In such event, the balance of his existing category freeze will be added to the category freeze resulting from the new position award."

This section would apply to your quest to get to SLC because you only incurred a 12 month seat freeze therefore you are in the last 12 months of your category freeze and you would be "unable to be awarded an AE or VD to such base in his current position in a given posting" because there is no M88 category in SLC. Therefore, under this new provision, you can be awarded any seat in SLC that your seniority allows you to hold. The only "caveat" is that you will have to tack on any remaining seat freeze to your new AE.

My question: How does this new language apply to someone who was hired Dec 1, 2015-Dec 1, 2016 (or anyone still under their 12-mo NH seat lock as of date-of-implementation)? If this person's seat lock is up in May, they are under the old one-year AC seat lock and should have absolutely no lock after their initial 12 months. The whole '...last 12 months...' language shouldn't apply to anyone hired before the implementation date. For them it's 12-months-and-done.

If I understand it correctly, anyone hired after the company implements 22.G (NLT 5/2017) will have the new 24 month NH seat lock with the 12 month 'out clause'.

bentwookie 12-05-2016 05:40 PM


Originally Posted by FL370esq (Post 2256468)
No worries. And no excuse required.

Thank you so much for your explanation!!

Denny Crane 12-05-2016 06:04 PM


Originally Posted by captkdobbs (Post 2256556)
My question: How does this new language apply to someone who was hired Dec 1, 2015-Dec 1, 2016 (or anyone still under their 12-mo NH seat lock as of date-of-implementation)? If this person's seat lock is up in May, they are under the old one-year AC seat lock and should have absolutely no lock after their initial 12 months. The whole '...last 12 months...' language shouldn't apply to anyone hired before the implementation date. For them it's 12-months-and-done.

If I understand it correctly, anyone hired after the company implements 22.G (NLT 5/2017) will have the new 24 month NH seat lock with the 12 month 'out clause'.

Sounds to me like you are wondering if your seat lock can/will be changed. I would say no, it cannot. The easiest way to see when any freeze you have expires is to go to the AE bid template on icrew and it tells you when any freeze/seat lock you have expires. That date will not change unless you are awarded an AE.

Denny

newpilotusa 12-05-2016 09:06 PM

Who is the Chief Pilot for the MSP base?


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