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rbigred300 11-26-2016 06:05 AM

Do 717As at the very bottom of the seniority list get any Greenslips or IAs or is the staffing good enough for captains that GS/IAs are rare? Looking at the daily trip coverage it seems that premium pay would be scarce.

Hank Kingsley 11-26-2016 06:34 AM


Originally Posted by BobZ (Post 2250043)
Just a bit of public school math here..... but 1800 hours of 717b probably doesn't equate to a similarly situated and inclined 777A pay.

Or perhaps even a similarly situated and inclined 717a pay.

Just because a pilot moves to the left seat..... doesn't mean they automatically lose the ability to do the math.

I applaud anyone who's willing to max the system. But it does entail being at the beck and call of crew skeds, something I won't do. QOL is flying to Nice on Tuesdays in my book, or every weekend off.

1800 hours of 717B is approximately what a widebody Captain would make flying a "normal" schedule. How's my math?

notEnuf 11-26-2016 06:49 AM

Your math is correct. Just shows you can have captain pay as a new hire with no QOL or wait 3 months and be a 4 month veteran and have no QOL commuting to NYC for captain pay. Seniority (or juniority in this case) has its perks. Choices are great.

OldFlyGuy 11-26-2016 07:02 AM


Originally Posted by rbigred300 (Post 2250169)
Do 717As at the very bottom of the seniority list get any Greenslips or IAs or is the staffing good enough for captains that GS/IAs are rare? Looking at the daily trip coverage it seems that premium pay would be scarce.

Don't plan your life on 150+ hour GS/IA months. DAL will figure out the staffing and GS/IA will dry up: they always do. You should plan for a life when you simply bid a month and fly it or sit reserve on it. That is the fact of life for the bulk of your career. Its always good to be senior in your category and that doesn't change as the senior typically get whatever good deals exist.
The CC/DPA 40 list.. no comment.
I was convinced of the superiority of the UPS DB/DC arrangement till I understood their details and did the numbers. Both their DB and DC are capped and that is the rub. Our DC and PS aren't capped. Our 4% more DC vs UPS plus our pensionable Profit Sharing at a nominal level appears to simply be worth more over time and its paid to you up front in your name. If you want an annuity buy one.. or buy several. UPS has a good contract, but a NewFlyGuy.. or Gal with any financial savvy at all should do very well at DAL. Have a Great Delta Weekend! OFG

Hank Kingsley 11-26-2016 07:10 AM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 2250200)
Your math is correct. Just shows you can have captain pay as a new hire with no QOL or wait 3 months and be a 4 month veteran and have no QOL commuting to NYC for captain pay. Seniority (or juniority in this case) has its perks. Choices are great.

Exactly, my point was only about guys saying we're taking the money and giving up QOL. How's a rolling thunder guy losing QOL? All ears. I might have 5 GS's in 30 years. And 5 months on reserve. Crew skeds doesn't know I exist. I plan to keep it that way.

BobZ 11-26-2016 07:48 AM


Originally Posted by Hank Kingsley (Post 2250190)
I applaud anyone who's willing to max the system. But it does entail being at the beck and call of crew skeds, something I won't do. QOL is flying to Nice on Tuesdays in my book, or every weekend off.

1800 hours of 717B is approximately what a widebody Captain would make flying a "normal" schedule. How's my math?

pretty close. Hence the posters comparison. But even the least inclined 777a would either eclipse the the monthly alv......or, choose to be satisfied with res guarantee....... and likely work a fraction of the posters hard flying 900 hrs/year......for the same pay.

And that calculation is bankable year after year.

I say good on ya for those who are able to find whatever advantage their category presents. But as has been noted..... the calculation for 'compensation' is more involved than multiplying alv times hourly pay rates.

Tanker1497 11-26-2016 07:51 AM


Originally Posted by TexanDriver (Post 2250155)
44 hours this month! But I was off Thanksgiving and saw Disney on Ice with the kid last night. I'll ***** myself out to the company when she's in college. But right now my QOL is based on time home with her.

Sounds fun! We have one girl; I remember those days, treasure them. I'm lucky if I can get a hello from her at age 14! I can handle 16 days of work a month, beats working for a living!

sailingfun 11-26-2016 07:55 AM


Originally Posted by Tanker1497 (Post 2250251)
Sounds fun! We have one girl; I remember those days, treasure them. I'm lucky if I can get a hello from her at age 14! I can handle 16 days of work a month, beats working for a living!

Your making probably 400k or more this year with profit sharing and claim a great quality of life, why so angry about virtually everything?

Tanker1497 11-26-2016 07:58 AM


Originally Posted by RockyBoy (Post 2250151)
^^^

Even with the shortage we have looming, the GS trip buy plan is never long term. I've seen it go through 3 cycles on the 320 in the last 7 years. When the getting is good, it's good. They always seem to catch up and then that plan dries back up even with lots of hiring.

I've done 3 125+ hour months the last few months and while the money is good, QOL stinks. You basically put yourself on voluntary SC at any base for the entire month.

Great point. The company got caught with staffing, but 100+ pilots a month seems to have caught them up. The Atl 717B category was a wreck from the end of last year, to the end of this summer. Each day had pages of GS, GSWC and IA. Now, you can go days without one GS award. It is tough being a ready reserve, in and out of base. If you can get consistent LCA trip drops, and roll some thunder in the summer, it's a little easier to compound your hours of pay.

Tanker1497 11-26-2016 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2250256)
Your making probably 400k or more this year with profit sharing and claim a great quality of life, why so angry about virtually everything?

With 20 percent profit sharing, about 370k. I let my passion get the best of me sometimes. We disagree on the TA. If doing that makes me angry, in your opinion, I can live with that. Several "angry" yes voters on this forum as well, but I don't take it personally. Come December 2nd, the sun will rise and life will go on. We'll move onto the next topics, whichever way the vote turns out, and life will go on.


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