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Old 07-24-2017 | 01:22 PM
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Old 07-24-2017 | 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Clearly you work at a different airline than I do. Going backwards? Really?? How much more hiring could we possibly do??
I'll take a stab at this and say 1,200 more pilots. The company was willfully negligent when they went against Flight Ops recommendations and delayed hiring for a year. Many claim this was done to hit an earnings target they didn't want weighted down by the costs associated with hiring and training.

We often accuse the executives of making short sighted decisions for quarterly numbers and refuse to consider they are looking several moves ahead. It is possible they have intentionally created an environment where they can claim they need scope relief on JVs in order to keep the airline from collapsing. Be ready, that argument is coming sooner than you think.
Old 07-24-2017 | 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter
I'll take a stab at this and say 1,200 more pilots. The company was willfully negligent when they went against Flight Ops recommendations and delayed hiring for a year. Many claim this was done to hit an earnings target they didn't want weighted down by the costs associated with hiring and training.

We often accuse the executives of making short sighted decisions for quarterly numbers and refuse to consider they are looking several moves ahead. It is possible they have intentionally created an environment where they can claim they need scope relief on JVs in order to keep the airline from collapsing. Be ready, that argument is coming sooner than you think.
The hiring freeze you mention was to show a first quarter profit. They needed so many consecutive quarters in order to get to investment grade and lower interest rates. The planned pilot hiring at that point was only 120 to 150 pilots that spring for the summer schedule. I have no idea how important a profit was overall but the planned hiring was small that year.
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Nothing is 100% but as of today I am told there has been no offer or discussion of more PS. One of the big issues the company currently faces is non contract discontent with their PS. It would shock me if the company offered more.
It wouldn't shock me at all. In fact, it could help the company out of two jams at once. The (some not all) Bolshevik noncons, who for some reason think they should automatically get for free what pilots negotiate and pay for, could also get the increase that we get in exchange for selling some of our jobs/scope. To be fair, I guess we'd be de facto selling their scope too though.

So we get a cookie, they get a cookie, and the company gets a KA/AM JV domination and more large RJ's. Win win right?
Old 07-25-2017 | 10:39 AM
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Does anyone have the DALPA jumpseat coordinator email handy?
Old 07-25-2017 | 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
It wouldn't shock me at all. In fact, it could help the company out of two jams at once. The (some not all) Bolshevik noncons, who for some reason think they should automatically get for free what pilots negotiate and pay for, could also get the increase that we get in exchange for selling some of our jobs/scope. To be fair, I guess we'd be de facto selling their scope too though.

So we get a cookie, they get a cookie, and the company gets a KA/AM JV domination and more large RJ's. Win win right?
How soon the non cons forget they traded PS (which the pilot group negotiated) for a raise.
Old 07-25-2017 | 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by qball
Does anyone have the DALPA jumpseat coordinator email handy?

PM Sent. It was not for a specific individual - just the generic DAL Jumpseat e-mail.

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Originally Posted by qball
How soon the non cons forget they traded PS (which the pilot group negotiated) for a raise.
I'm not sure the non-cons "traded" anything. Yes they got a pay raise, and their PS % was lowered. But that was done by the company. The non-cons had no say in it. It sounds like you meant to imply that they were willing participants in the trade.
Old 07-25-2017 | 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Viking busdvr
I'm not sure the non-cons "traded" anything. Yes they got a pay raise, and their PS % was lowered. But that was done by the company. The non-cons had no say in it. It sounds like you meant to imply that they were willing participants in the trade.
Said TIC. I know they had no say but most I encounterd at the time were pretty giddy about the big raise. We tried to tell them the company paid for much of it with PS. Most refused to believe it. I guess they are seeing it now.
Old 07-25-2017 | 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
PM Sent. It was not for a specific individual - just the generic DAL Jumpseat e-mail.

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