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Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 2432387)

It's just silly to have one pilot sit in a self-funded hotel while another who wants to be in his own bed is off flying around the world instead.

While the bucket system feels like a jr pilot QoL gain my guess is the reason it ended up in the PWA was to increase pilot availability to the company -- it's a manpower concession not a pilot QoL gain. How was it a concession? Which is better for the company: 1 pilot with 0 hours and a 2nd with 80 hours of availability, or 2 pilots with 40 hours? Other than the rare 12 day trip the 2 guys with 40 hours remaining is probably going to be more beneficial to filling the schedule. The senior guy with 80 hours of availability probably doesn't have any days remaining since he knew how to bid to minimize his exposure. Obviously a contrived example, but certainly possible. My point is if it was a concession before, what are we going to give to get rid of it?

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Originally Posted by casual observer (Post 2432239)

I know that Delta will let you off for jury duty, but I'm wondering what they do if you are subpoenaed.

If I get subpoenaed on a day that I've got a 4 day trip, would I get paid for the trip or would I have to drop it without pay?

In the PWA it's not jury duty, it's "legal duty". You are covered if subpoenaed. Ref 2.157 and 13.E

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Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 2432387)

Great system for whom? There is a wide variance across most (if not all) categories with regards to how much pilots WANT to fly while on reserve. Normalizing this and treating everyone identically degrades quality of life at both ends of the spectrum. I'm happy to insert language to avoid reserve pilots going to the sim for bounces (Maybe pecking order changes when one doesn't have required T/O and Lands at 60 day mark? Maybe different categories need different systems?). It's just silly to have one pilot sit in a self-funded hotel while another who wants to be in his own bed is off flying around the world instead.

I sort of agree with your points in general, and further tweaking of the system is always desirable. However, your last sentence is exactly why we came up with the bucket system in the first place.

"Pre" bucket system. Two pilots are on reserve. Pilot A has a RAW score of 70 and does not wish to fly, while Pilot B has a RAW score of 71 and does wish to fly, and has submitted a YS to that end. Under this pre-bucket system, which we had for several years, pilot A would have been awarded a trip to fly, and pilot B would not have, even though a one point difference in RAW score is pretty much statistically meaningless.

After quite a few legitimate complaints, we came up with the bucket system. Up to 80 points of RAW and all pilots are in the same bucket one, etc for higher RAW scores. This ensures that the company gets some flexibility (no instances of senior pilot A flying zero, while junior pilot B flies 90 hours) while also giving the pilots some flexibility.

I think it a pretty good tradeoff. As someone who lives local and occasionally bids reserve myself, I think that any improvement to reserve should focus on some sort of bonus pay after a certain number of SCs, not just a microscopic increase to your RAW score like we have now.

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Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 2432328)

I think you misunderstand my way of thinking, although maybe I just have poor reading comprehension. I am happy to point to ANY historic contract and identify ways reserve used to be better than it is now, then set that as a goal to be met or exceeded in C2019. Also happy to look to competitors reserve ADVANTAGES for inspiration. Since I don't work for management, I myself won't cite the ways in which our competitors have it worse.

Guys can clearly bring up ways things used to be. When those things were worse than what we have now, though, they lower expectations (in my humble opinion). All of this is psych 101, mirroring why our opener needs to greatly exceed our desired end state. Folks claiming that our reserve only needs minor changes increase the likelihood that such minor changes are all we'll get (if we get any at all). In my personal experience, those types of bar-lowering history lessons come from pilots who don't sit reserve much and/or don't expect to going forward. Naturally, it's their right to seek to minimize contractual improvements from which they won't benefit in hopes of maximizing those from which they will.

I think we can all agree........more is better!!!:)

You'll have to point me in the direction of the posts that say we only need minor changes....Anyway, we all want the same things.......more money and more time off!:)

Denny

In the PWA it's not jury duty, it's "legal duty". You are covered if subpoenaed. Ref 2.157 and 13.E[/QUOTE]

You are awesome, Han Solo.

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Originally Posted by casual observer (Post 2432458)

In the PWA it's not jury duty, it's "legal duty". You are covered if subpoenaed. Ref 2.157 and 13.E

You are awesome, Han Solo.[/QUOTE]

Just be aware you need to notify the company ASAP after getting notified. Failure to do so could cost you money.

Ok, I know I should be able to find this in the contract, but answers seem to come quicker here. Am I allowed to book positive space company business to commute to an in-base TOE trip?

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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude (Post 2432487)

Ok, I know I should be able to find this in the contract, but answers seem to come quicker here. Am I allowed to book positive space company business to commute to an in-base TOE trip?

No. Only for ground training.

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Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 2432408)

Idea generating here.

We negotiated Short Call Credit (SCC) in C2016 which was 'an improvement'. But I think we can all agree that it doesn't really affect how often we are assigned SC. I also realize that the company won't budge if it'll cost them money or restrict their ability to assign SC.

How about SCC #1 = 1 hr. credit toward reserve guarantee
SCC #2 = 2 hrs credit, SCC #3 = 3 hrs credit, SCC #4 = 4 hrs.
SCC # 5, 6, and 7 (for those categories that have it) = 5:15 hrs.

I understand the need for SC, however if assigned SC and not used 5+ times in a month, I think they're using it a little excessively.

Other's thoughts?

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Originally Posted by captkdobbs (Post 2432535)

I like that idea. Another option would be 1 hour ABOVE guarantee for every short call that you're not used...or just every short call.

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Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 2432603)

I like that idea. Another option would be 1 hour ABOVE guarantee for every short call that you're not used...or just every short call.

Good idea, however I don't think that we could get them to agree to anything above guarantee as that would be an increase in cost. Their argument will be that SC is just part of the job.

I see a strong push-back even going with a higher SCC as that puts the reserve pilot closer to filling up, and that limits the reserve pilots availability.

Pilot side- more credit for SC and a deterrent against over-assigning SC.
Company side- restricts the usability of the reserve pilot.