Originally Posted by Han Solo (Post 2558904)

Can you not see the absurdity of this statement?



I did not say they were pretty much the same -- you did, I said "A LT in the military doesn't make a whole lot more". We could go into how a regional pilot can earn overtime and then figure out just how many hours a LT works to figure out an hourly rate but that wasn't the point of my post. I went on to say "Everybody pays their dues in one way or another" which is a fact often overlooked by somebody who only wants to compare W2s. The forum laments the plight of regional pilots pay but bring up a very real consequence of death in the military and all of a sudden I'm heartless and making an embarrassing argument? Really?

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2558877)

The cheapest KIA is a dramatically better car then a Caddy in the 70’s.

Originally Posted by FMGEC (Post 2558886)

Curious question: How many airborne combat death have there been in the past 15 years?
How many have happened during training? (Military)

Now, tell me how many civilian operational pilot deaths there have been in the same time.
And also tell me how many civilian training deaths have occurred in the past 15 years.

Oh, and be sure you include the fatality ratio to hours flown.

As a CFI I couldn’t get life insurance because no one (outside of AOPA) would write a policy. But, my friends in the ANG has no problem getting coverage.
Don’t be surprised if Mike Rowe narrates a TV show called “The Deadliest Job” while following CFI’s around every day.

Originally Posted by badflaps (Post 2558880)

727A pay in 1973 was $54,000. so, maybe a Pinto?:D

Originally Posted by badflaps (Post 2558880)

727A pay in 1973 was $54,000. so, maybe a Pinto?:D

Originally Posted by Ship741 (Post 2558955)

The 1986 guy paid nothing for a cadillac (see what I did there) medical plan and paid nothing for a fantastic retirement plan that paid tens of millions of dollars in benefits for 40 years b4 bankruptcy. To say nothing of work rules. I'll bet the 1986 total compensation package was much higher all in apples to apples

Originally Posted by qball (Post 2558959)

A ‘74 El Dorado Convertable was 7800 and change in 1974. 400 bucks for the optional 8 track

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2558912)

I think pay in those days is a bit overrated. In 1986 a L011 CA made about 160,000 a year. Cuts had not hit the top at that point. Inflation calculator pegs that at 360,000 a year today. A 350 CA flying his basic line will make about the same. Add in PS and it’s more.

Originally Posted by Ship741 (Post 2558984)

I did not mean to imply that any one person received 40 years of retirement benefits, nor to imply that there wasn't real harm suffered by those who lost massively on the banruptcy. The point I made a was that the plan was in effect for that long or longer, probably paying benefits to hundreds (thousands?) Of employees who paid nothing for that benefit. I was trying to make an apples to apples comparison on total comp, not just pay, and certainly not trying to understate any loss suffer by those who lost their retirement.

Originally Posted by Gooner (Post 2558862)

But you’ve come here to lay blame on someone for the reason it’s not better. There was much sacrificed to get the industry where it is. Maybe, just maybe we haven’t taken kindly to your complete lack of appreciation of the hardships and complicated choices made in our past. But I will say, despite your “poopplop” attitude towards your brethren you at least learned a few lessons about scope. Always vote NO and you can never be blamed though right.