Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-26-2018 | 11:24 AM
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What is your goal here? Where do you want to work eventually? If you want to work at any legacy you should consider changing your attitude.
I urged you to take a breath to see the positive situation you are in, and appreciate it. You choose to blame others for your plight at Endeavor. One’s character is determined during the worst of times, their struggles. It is very telling that during a very lucrative and opportunistic cycle you choose to dig up buried bodies and cast stones at others.
I urged you to take a breath to see the positive situation you are in, and appreciate it. You choose to blame others for your plight at Endeavor. One’s character is determined during the worst of times, their struggles. It is very telling that during a very lucrative and opportunistic cycle you choose to dig up buried bodies and cast stones at others.
My goal? Discussing history is how we learn from it. There's nothing wrong with setting the record straight. Also, the issue was relevant at the time. The discussion has dragged on though, so I will probably end my participation for consideration's sake. If discussing the truth of our industry's history is too much for you, perhaps next time you shouldn't participate at all. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to get back to flying ERJs for endeavor...........
03-26-2018 | 11:36 AM
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Hah! I'll bet your time is up at the day room computer.
03-26-2018 | 12:25 PM
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Now you're just ranting, and it's difficult to understand you. Be more specific in your examples, because "there was much sacrificed" doesn't hold much weight. What was sacrificed, by whom, and for whom?
A poor decision made under difficult circumstances is still a poor decision. Anybody in this industry should understand that. Therefore, I don't care if you don't take kindly to me explaining the truthful history and consequences of the decisions made. If you want someone to pretty up the story so it looks better for you, please ask someone else.
A poor decision made under difficult circumstances is still a poor decision. Anybody in this industry should understand that. Therefore, I don't care if you don't take kindly to me explaining the truthful history and consequences of the decisions made. If you want someone to pretty up the story so it looks better for you, please ask someone else.
I don't think anyone is going to change your mind that mainline Pilots sold Scope but maybe your intransigence will help us educate other Pilots. I along with 1300 buddies, were furloughed while DCI was hiring hundreds of Pilots. We were there and lived through it probably experiencing the harshest fallout of the whole RJ debacle.
What I find amusing is that those of us who lived through this issue are now told by someone that we "Sold Scope" for pay increases. Who exactly sold Scope? The 1300 furloughee's? You know that we are all "evil mainline Pilots now. The guys who took a 42% pay cuts?
You don't have to live through something to be knowledgeable about it and I am sure many of your contemporaries have a good basic knowledge about how it went down and yet you seem to cling to the bumper sticker saying of "Mainline Pilots sold Scope." As I have said repeatedly - mistakes were made and it would be great if we today's knowledge back in the 1990s.
The issue is far more complicated and nuanced then the bumper sticker mentality that you keep repeating. The fact that you keep repeating this makes me believe you are only parroting what you have heard and have not really done much serious research into the issue. Fact is DAL had minimal restrictions on Scope prior to 1996. Scope got out of control in the 2000s and we have been slowly correcting ever since. Please do some of your own research and come back and educate us - you know the guys who were furloughed due to Scope mistakes and fill us in on how we "Sold Scope."
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03-26-2018 | 12:35 PM
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Well said Scoop, these are very complicated issues that deserve a lot more details than most of us can even remember without looking it up. Someone write a book!
03-26-2018 | 12:38 PM
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I don't think anyone is going to change your mind that mainline Pilots sold Scope but maybe your intransigence will help us educate other Pilots. I along with 1300 buddies, were furloughed while DCI was hiring hundreds of Pilots. We were there and lived through it probably experiencing the harshest fallout of the whole RJ debacle.
What I find amusing is that those of us who lived through this issue are now told by someone that we "Sold Scope" for pay increases. Who exactly sold Scope? The 1300 furloughee's? You know that we are all "evil mainline Pilots now. The guys who took a 42% pay cuts?
You don't have to live through something to be knowledgeable about it and I am sure many of your contemporaries have a good basic knowledge about how it went down and yet you seem to cling to the bumper sticker saying of "Mainline Pilots sold Scope." As I have said repeatedly - mistakes were made and it would be great if we today's knowledge back in the 1990s.
The issue is far more complicated and nuanced then the bumper sticker mentality that you keep repeating. The fact that you keep repeating this makes me believe you are only parroting what you have heard and have not really done much serious research into the issue. Fact is DAL had minimal restrictions on Scope prior to 1996. Scope got out of control in the 2000s and we have been slowly correcting ever since. Please do some of your own research and come back and educate us - you know the guys who were furloughed due to Scope mistakes and fill us in on how we "Sold Scope."
Scoop
What I find amusing is that those of us who lived through this issue are now told by someone that we "Sold Scope" for pay increases. Who exactly sold Scope? The 1300 furloughee's? You know that we are all "evil mainline Pilots now. The guys who took a 42% pay cuts?
You don't have to live through something to be knowledgeable about it and I am sure many of your contemporaries have a good basic knowledge about how it went down and yet you seem to cling to the bumper sticker saying of "Mainline Pilots sold Scope." As I have said repeatedly - mistakes were made and it would be great if we today's knowledge back in the 1990s.
The issue is far more complicated and nuanced then the bumper sticker mentality that you keep repeating. The fact that you keep repeating this makes me believe you are only parroting what you have heard and have not really done much serious research into the issue. Fact is DAL had minimal restrictions on Scope prior to 1996. Scope got out of control in the 2000s and we have been slowly correcting ever since. Please do some of your own research and come back and educate us - you know the guys who were furloughed due to Scope mistakes and fill us in on how we "Sold Scope."
Scoop
03-26-2018 | 01:20 PM
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I don't think anyone is going to change your mind that mainline Pilots sold Scope but maybe your intransigence will help us educate other Pilots. I along with 1300 buddies, were furloughed while DCI was hiring hundreds of Pilots. We were there and lived through it probably experiencing the harshest fallout of the whole RJ debacle.
What I find amusing is that those of us who lived through this issue are now told by someone that we "Sold Scope" for pay increases. Who exactly sold Scope? The 1300 furloughee's? You know that we are all "evil mainline Pilots now. The guys who took a 42% pay cuts?
You don't have to live through something to be knowledgeable about it and I am sure many of your contemporaries have a good basic knowledge about how it went down and yet you seem to cling to the bumper sticker saying of "Mainline Pilots sold Scope." As I have said repeatedly - mistakes were made and it would be great if we today's knowledge back in the 1990s.
The issue is far more complicated and nuanced then the bumper sticker mentality that you keep repeating. The fact that you keep repeating this makes me believe you are only parroting what you have heard and have not really done much serious research into the issue. Fact is DAL had minimal restrictions on Scope prior to 1996. Scope got out of control in the 2000s and we have been slowly correcting ever since. Please do some of your own research and come back and educate us - you know the guys who were furloughed due to Scope mistakes and fill us in on how we "Sold Scope."
Scoop
What I find amusing is that those of us who lived through this issue are now told by someone that we "Sold Scope" for pay increases. Who exactly sold Scope? The 1300 furloughee's? You know that we are all "evil mainline Pilots now. The guys who took a 42% pay cuts?
You don't have to live through something to be knowledgeable about it and I am sure many of your contemporaries have a good basic knowledge about how it went down and yet you seem to cling to the bumper sticker saying of "Mainline Pilots sold Scope." As I have said repeatedly - mistakes were made and it would be great if we today's knowledge back in the 1990s.
The issue is far more complicated and nuanced then the bumper sticker mentality that you keep repeating. The fact that you keep repeating this makes me believe you are only parroting what you have heard and have not really done much serious research into the issue. Fact is DAL had minimal restrictions on Scope prior to 1996. Scope got out of control in the 2000s and we have been slowly correcting ever since. Please do some of your own research and come back and educate us - you know the guys who were furloughed due to Scope mistakes and fill us in on how we "Sold Scope."
Scoop
03-26-2018 | 02:33 PM
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For the third time, I never said I was in a poor position. I have actually said quite the opposite. If you refuse to pay attention to what I say, then what's your motive in asking me for a response? Because you seem to have your mind already made up.
My goal? Discussing history is how we learn from it. There's nothing wrong with setting the record straight. Also, the issue was relevant at the time. The discussion has dragged on though, so I will probably end my participation for consideration's sake. If discussing the truth of our industry's history is too much for you, perhaps next time you shouldn't participate at all. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to get back to flying ERJs for endeavor...........
My goal? Discussing history is how we learn from it. There's nothing wrong with setting the record straight. Also, the issue was relevant at the time. The discussion has dragged on though, so I will probably end my participation for consideration's sake. If discussing the truth of our industry's history is too much for you, perhaps next time you shouldn't participate at all. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to get back to flying ERJs for endeavor...........
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C’mon, you can do better.
03-26-2018 | 03:14 PM
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For the third time, I never said I was in a poor position. I have actually said quite the opposite. If you refuse to pay attention to what I say, then what's your motive in asking me for a response? Because you seem to have your mind already made up.
My goal? Discussing history is how we learn from it. There's nothing wrong with setting the record straight. Also, the issue was relevant at the time. The discussion has dragged on though, so I will probably end my participation for consideration's sake. If discussing the truth of our industry's history is too much for you, perhaps next time you shouldn't participate at all. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to get back to flying ERJs for endeavor...........
My goal? Discussing history is how we learn from it. There's nothing wrong with setting the record straight. Also, the issue was relevant at the time. The discussion has dragged on though, so I will probably end my participation for consideration's sake. If discussing the truth of our industry's history is too much for you, perhaps next time you shouldn't participate at all. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to get back to flying ERJs for endeavor...........
03-26-2018 | 07:02 PM
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For what it’s worth I had my “regional appreciation” lap after USAF. 6 months at Skywest. It was aweful and waaaaay more of a crappy life than the Air Force. I salute anyone that has struggled or is currently struggling Chained to the bench of that slave ship. Being a Lt in a fighter squadron is a breeeeezzze compared being an FO
03-27-2018 | 04:57 AM
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$160K in a 14% bond rate market, vs $350K in a 3.5% bond market. Hindsight is 20/20, we know the performance of money from 1986 till today. It is fully possible we could repeat, but consider the DOW would have to go to ~500,000. In other words, the captain in 1986 was paying off his debts in much cheaper dollars, while earning unparalleled gains in the market.
When interest rates normalize at a historical 7%, today's captain is making more. You will find out what I mean over the next decade.
When interest rates normalize at a historical 7%, today's captain is making more. You will find out what I mean over the next decade.
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