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PG, and because of these factors that you agree with me on, do we punish them because of the bad few? That trend needs to change. I know you will never need to commute, and it will be a choice for you, but there are many that have those issues, commuting adds to it, and by not upping our support of these guys, makes their lives that much more miserable.
I am sure the guys in DFW thought that they would not commute. Also it is easy for a young family to move, but not one with roots. Issues with portability of this career make all the parallels with other professions moot. If I could walk in to AA and get my job with seniority and pay it would be one thing, but we can't. Hence the reason for commuting in this career. Also, read the other point. Companies all over the world pay for their employees that can't or don't move to fly to work every week, on a paid ticket. They will do that for my wife to keep her when her job move to IAH. Why? because they know that it is better to keep her, and to try and prove a point and effect their operation. |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 726219)
PG, and because of these factors that you agree with me on, do we punish them because of the bad few? That trend needs to change. I know you will never need to commute, and it will be a choice for you, but there are many that have those issues, commuting adds to it, and by not upping our support of these guys, makes their lives that much more miserable.
I am sure the guys in DFW thought that they would not commute. Also it is easy for a young family to move, but not one with roots. Issues with portability of this career make all the parallels with other professions moot. If I could walk in to AA and get my job with seniority and pay it would be one thing, but we can't. Hence the reason for commuting in this career. Also, read the other point. Companies all over the world pay for their employees that can't or don't move to fly to work every week, on a paid ticket. They will do that for my wife to keep her when her job move to IAH. Why? because they know that it is better to keep her, and to try and prove a point and effect their operation. |
It costs a possible revenue seat. 12K pilots and two seats a week. 24K seats a week 1,248,000 seats a year. There is a cost.
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By the way, this is the most informative thread in the whole interweb. Thanks, gents.
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 726230)
It costs a possible revenue seat. 12K pilots and two seats a week. 24K seats a week 1,248,000 seats a year. There is a cost.
The north policy, from what I understand, is seldom used. For example, I've used it only twice in the 6 to 7 years that it's been effect. Bottom like, why can't someone (jumpseat committee?) at DALPA demonstrate that it's used too much and unsellable or that it's what most of us think.........a stress reliever that's seldom used. Ferd |
Originally Posted by Sink r8
(Post 726161)
Thanks.
Another thing I didn't catch at first: the 5th freedom now works for both sides. If JAL wants to have a HND-LAX-EZE (or GRU), they can sell tickets between the U.S. and Argentina (or Brazil). Ouch. The Japanese already do fly 5th freedom beyond the US. Both JAL and ANA fly beyond their US gateways to South America. As does LAN Chile, Korean, Emirates, ANZ, Qantas, AF and others. I suppose a few Japanese startups might try to establish a Trans-pac service, but I doubt it. G |
Originally Posted by Ferd149
(Post 726236)
You can take, what, 50%? away from that for people who don't commute? But, your point is well taken as far as PS is concerned.
The north policy, from what I understand, is seldom used. For example, I've used it only twice in the 6 to 7 years that it's been effect. Bottom like, why can't someone (jumpseat committee?) at DALPA demonstrate that it's used too much and unsellable or that it's what most of us think.........a stress reliever that's seldom used. Ferd |
Originally Posted by Ferd149
(Post 726236)
You can take, what, 50%? away from that for people who don't commute? But, your point is well taken as far as PS is concerned.
The north policy, from what I understand, is seldom used. For example, I've used it only twice in the 6 to 7 years that it's been effect. Bottom like, why can't someone (jumpseat committee?) at DALPA demonstrate that it's used too much and unsellable or that it's what most of us think.........a stress reliever that's seldom used. Ferd Plus why do we carry around extra weight, for the chance there might be last minute bags...when you multiply that weight times hundreds of flights per day...lot of lost revenue and excess fuel carried. |
Originally Posted by Ferd149
(Post 726236)
You can take, what, 50%? away from that for people who don't commute? But, your point is well taken as far as PS is concerned.
The north policy, from what I understand, is seldom used. For example, I've used it only twice in the 6 to 7 years that it's been effect. Bottom like, why can't someone (jumpseat committee?) at DALPA demonstrate that it's used too much and unsellable or that it's what most of us think.........a stress reliever that's seldom used. Ferd I'm a new guy here but I'll throw out a possibility. Because lots of the people in those types of positions are Atlanta based and don't have to worry about such things. Now with this bid, things could very well change. To quote one Atlanta based pilot in the lounge the day the MOAB dropped, "I guess we had it coming...." |
I am an ATL guy and live in ATL, but the simple fact is that we have been an accumulator in the whole system for a long time. What DAL is doing is putting flying in bases to minimize layos in other bases. It makes sense. Less NYC. Good.
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