Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 761925)

I would fully expect Delta to come back at this decision. This is not something I see us taking lying down.

As for JAL. The neat little benefit that we got is this:
It would have probably cost out at least a billion if not two for the press we got for the last five months every night, every news cast about us and JAL. We are now known for pennies on the dollar versus what it would have cost us to get that kind of marketing visibility. We are now a household name in Japan, and AMR is out 1.4 billion.

Time to take that recognition for a run. We need to move quick because consumers minds are short and fickle.

Originally Posted by DARR31 (Post 761946)

We'd have a better terminal at JFK and some more A320s for the fleet!

Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 761974)

Yes they have a new terminal but, from what I understand and anybody correct me if I'm wrong, I think the gates in Jet Blue's terminal are not set far enough apart to handle widebody jets.

Denny

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 761954)

Consider that at the time Comair lost flight 5191 they were on Delta's Certificate of Insurance. *

I'm not sure the contractual transfer of liability means a whole lot in the running of an alter ego air carrier. *I'm not sure the risk means a whole lot to the contracting parties, as long as the exposure is properly managed. *As the President of my former employer said "we consider safety a given." *Delta obvious wants it's passengers to have a safe and enjoyable flight, but they have risk managers and trust that they have done their job(s). *They don't stay up at night worrying about this.

Scary Mary finally admitted the obvious and now calls herself a "Plaintiff's Attorney." *Her idea has a lot more with securing another potential source for financial recovery than it does air safety, IMHO. ... and in many venues, the parties in the chain of commerce with the airline service can be sued and in some places held liable jointly and severally. *This is one reason Texas is a popular place to bring aviation litigation. *

The Passenger Bill of Rights also provides some perspective on this. *The issue of responsibility for passenger handling during IROPS was ill defined and left the contracting carrier with a significant potential for loss. *Rather than absorb these costs, they tried to hold passengers on the airplane, overnight, as needed to save money. *This led to litigation long before the government stepped up to the plate to "fix" the problem. *Airlines (not just Delta) had ample time to develop and implement policies which would have stopped that legislation in its tracks. *IMHO the government only got involved because we failed to use common sense in the management of our outsourced flying.

Cue the music, same song, second verse. *When it comes to jacking up the house, ALPA's going to have to do their (our) own heavy lifting on outsourcing.

Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 761966)

Actually FTB, I have tipped a cow. She was sleeping standing up. In fact, it was on the way to the lav during my "potty break." She was a DAL FA. You are in fact correct...she did eat grass or whatever she could find in the forward galley and her own barf. I think she was Orlando based.

Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 761967)

I prefer to sit on the sidelines and complain. That's my nature. That's all I got.;)

Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 761966)

Actually FTB, I have tipped a cow. She was sleeping standing up. In fact, it was on the way to the lav during my "potty break." She was a DAL FA. You are in fact correct...she did eat grass or whatever she could find in the forward galley and her own barf. I think she was Orlando based.

Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 761966)

Actually FTB, I have tipped a cow. She was sleeping standing up. In fact, it was on the way to the lav during my "potty break." She was a DAL FA. You are in fact correct...she did eat grass or whatever she could find in the forward galley and her own barf. I think she was Orlando based.

Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 761976)

No widebodies, but 320's and 73N's. Its nice.

Originally Posted by Superpilot92 (Post 761509)

same goes for ExpressJet

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 761925)

As for JAL. The neat little benefit that we got is this:
It would have probably cost out at least a billion if not two for the press we got for the last five months every night, every news cast about us and JAL. We are now known for pennies on the dollar versus what it would have cost us to get that kind of marketing visibility. We are now a household name in Japan, and AMR is out 1.4 billion.