You are missing something. The cost allocation we analyzed was small jet aircraft permitted by our contract. They already exist. To make a change to the status quo requires a negotiation. Negotiations require costing. We're not trying to solve management's problem. Quite the contrary, we're trying to make your argument. Unfortunately, the numbers currently aren't very pretty for your point of view.

We are where we are, not where we wish to be. If you want to put the pilots doing contracted flying on your list, you're going to have to go through the process to get it. Economic arguments are pretty compelling, but that cuts both ways.

I think we all agree with that idea. It is not about doing their job. It is about making sure we do not over pay or cover their bill. (As in the entire bill to do them a favor and recapture what they wanted to outsource a few CEO's ago)

There was also 54 - 40 or fight as part of that manifest destiny (the northern boundary of the US would have then incorporated large parts of Canada). That didn't happen, but it was a cool slogan.

I'm an idea man. Not a details man. Go with it.

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor???

Off subject, but does anyone have gouge to drop a rotation that has spill and pick up another rotation that does not have spill. Have a swap with pot request in but they are not doing the request???????:confused:

What is the reason for not swapping? If you didn't know, you can check the reason by using one of the F keys. It should at least give you some reason.

If it won't do it and there is adequate reserve coverage, you might try a personal drop and then a whiteslip to pick up the trip. If the carryover trip you want to drop is at the end of March into April, it will not let you swap or drop it until after the bids come out for April because they do not know the reserve coverage for the beginning of April.

Denny

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Call the folks flying the trip you want, if they agree to it, put them on your swap with friends list and ...voila.

Pretty useful if you are going from a lineholding month to a reserve month.

FTB's Simple Twinkle Think
 

Problem: We don't have 100 seat jets at Delta but if we did would they be a mainline flown and operated aircraft or one that per Delta's request for scope relief that DALPA allows to fly for a DCI?

Extenuating Circumstances: Delta debt and credit for purchasing 100 seat aircraft and the possible need for risk partners, disunity among the 12,000+ pilots concerning small jet scope, we don't know what Delta and DALPA know, relative silence on the issue from DALPA for reasons that may or may not be good for preventing scope erosion, need for 100 seat sized aircraft for DC9/732 replacement and for better economies of scale over 76 seat fleet, shrinking uneconomical 50 seat fleet, runaway outsourcing partners such as Republic that may or may not have gotten the green light from mainline carriers to jumpstart the C-Series.

Background: In baseball you have the farm team, farm league, feeder team or nursery club. They play the same game as their major clubs but they are smaller, cheaper and allow for a flow up or flow down of major league players for a variety of reasons as the team sees fit. In the airline business you happen to have one regional airline, Republic, that has a scope policy that says if you own the airline then our pilots fly the plane thus multiple certificates but only one seniority list. Delta has three DCI’s that it owns: Compass (3 years old, 36 aircraft, 800 employees, 379 pilots), Comair (32 years old, 104 aircraft, 2700 employees, 1467 pilots and 319 furloughed) and Mesaba (34 years old, 102 aircraft with 42 SF340s, 1500 employees, 1069 pilots and 159 furloughed).

Idea:
All 77+ seat aircraft are operated by Delta mainline pilots and 71 to 76 seat aircraft are shrunk by 80% by 2015 or pilot pay increases by 80% over the PWA rates at that time and a furlough clause requires pilots to be paid 70 hours of pay for the first 36 months of their furlough.

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1. Restructure Compass and create a true farm league airline in which ½ of all flight operations positions are staffed by current Delta mainline flight operations staff.
2. Any aircraft larger than 50 seats but smaller than the current capacity of an A319 can be operated at Compass including the EJet or E195X and C-Series.
3. As to pilots, 100% of all Captain positions will be Delta seniority pilots and all non-Delta pilots will be placed on a flow through, except that if the aircraft seats 100 or more passengers then 100% of all pilot positions are current Delta pilots.
4. Release Delta from 76-seat scope except that all future and replacement 76 seat aircraft be flown by Compass and that no contracts are renewed with another DCI for continued 51 seat or larger aircraft. Another words, grow the 76 seat to A319 size fleet to whatever fleet size you wish but ASA/SW, Pinnacle, RAH, Comair and Mesaba cannot have one more 50+ seat aircraft and when their contracts expire there will be no 50+ sized aircraft operated by them for DCI. Pilots at Comair and Mesaba will have prefrential hiring at Compass.
5. Therein Compass fleet size will take the current 183 70+ seat aircraft at DCI and Compass will also begin flying CRJ700/900 aircraft in addition to the current E-Jets.
6. All pilots will operate under the Delta PWA including Section 3 on compensation. All pilots will be represented by their respective DALPA LECs.

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Just because an economic argument is compelling doesn't mean we need to give in to that argument. (Not saying you are.) I don't care what the "economics" say, just because management does an analysis and says 100 seat flying is more cost effective to do at DCI doesn't mean we should do it! Being a little cynical, I imagine management can carry that argument all the way up to the 747/777.

I hope we/DALPA have made it PERFECTLY clear there will be no more scope concessions!

Denny

understand you're talking about the small "rj"s", I'm more concerned about a perminant cap on the current numbers and ensuring the next big "RJ" (read 100 seats) comes here regardless of the numbers. The numbers on a 100 seated should be there for us considering we have the 100 seaters already and the next gen 100 seater should be even cheaper to operate. Bottom line is regardless of the "numbers" any future aircraft need to come here and only here with our pilots flying them. ;)