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johnso29 06-04-2010 01:45 PM

How accurate are the 22.D.3?'s I guess that's the number of pilots the contractual formula requires? Is that correct?

Looks like MSP M88B, DTW 320B, and MSP 320B all fell about 60 short of those numbers. Also, the 22.D.3 is for December 2010 staffing, so will the next AE account for the 757/767's coming out of the desert? Or has that staffing already been accounted for?

acl65pilot 06-04-2010 01:45 PM

After training, generally. You start training in Nov, but will be converted Dec 1, 2010. You would rebid for VAC the month prior. (As in when you would normally bid for VAC moveups)

forgot to bid 06-04-2010 01:48 PM


Originally Posted by dragon (Post 821560)
Nuclear power as in fission is one of the few European ideas that I embrace (that and topless beaches).

The USN has used Nuke power safely for over 60 years but we haven't ordered a civilian plant in something like 30 years (1970s) and I am really hoping that they can make fusion possible. The rest is just like our terminal in JFK - putting lipstick on the pig.

Wait, what if we had a nuclear powered terminal at JFK? I never thought about it, nor thought it through, but I think its a great idea that needs no review.


Originally Posted by JFK Terminal3 (Post 821575)
Whoa whoa whoa whoa!

This "pig" has feelings too. I mean, I have TWO whole Starbucks in me now! Granted, they are two of the three WORST Starbucks on the planet. But its more than that silly Terminal 4.

I'm not going to be around forever you know! I mean, I could be worse.

That's pretty damn funny.


Originally Posted by BigGuns (Post 821620)
YAHOOOO WE WIN!!! WE WIN!!! :eek::o

Atleast it is the "YEAR OF THE CUSTOMER!!" :rolleyes:

Most Complained-About Airlines

Top 10 Most Complained-About Airlines:


No. 1: Delta

1.96 per 100,000 passengers


Delta dropped the ball this past year. One DOT official attributes the airline’s most-complained-about status to its merger with Northwest. Regardless, Delta has some work to do: it was the worst offender in nearly all categories, especially flight problems, reservations, and baggage. The airline’s response? Complaints are handled, said a spokesperson, “on a case-by-case basis in the order they are received.”

Okay okay, this is actually good. Let me ask you, who was the #1 best or #1 worst airline in 2007? 2006? 2005? 2004? Nobody probably knows, right? So who cares.

So follow me, this is a black eye that will need to be fixed. Imagine if we were near the top or middle? We'd never get the problems we see, fixed.

forgot to bid 06-04-2010 01:52 PM

I should've put in that DALPA survey that they need to yank the OUT time off the beacon.

Case Study: Captain says the beacon does not come on until the plane is cleared to push and is pushing. By the book. Weather hits ATL, they close up and call ramp for push, ramp says 1 hour. So they sit there, no beacon. 1 turns into 2 hours as ground has no where to put anyone and is having extreme difficulty dealing with the new 3 hour rule and all the planes that need gate returns. Meanwhile, the FA's serve the passengers. At about 2:30 the Captain reopens the door to let anyone off that wants off. Then they close it up. 1:30 later, they get cleared to push and turn the beacon on. For the pilots, its really a wash after reroutes and stuff.

For the FA's, this is a quick way to get them to vote yes.

sailingfun 06-04-2010 02:33 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 821657)
I should've put in that DALPA survey that they need to yank the OUT time off the beacon.

Case Study: Captain says the beacon does not come on until the plane is cleared to push and is pushing. By the book. Weather hits ATL, they close up and call ramp for push, ramp says 1 hour. So they sit there, no beacon. 1 turns into 2 hours as ground has no where to put anyone and is having extreme difficulty dealing with the new 3 hour rule and all the planes that need gate returns. Meanwhile, the FA's serve the passengers. At about 2:30 the Captain reopens the door to let anyone off that wants off. Then they close it up. 1:30 later, they get cleared to push and turn the beacon on. For the pilots, its really a wash after reroutes and stuff.

For the FA's, this is a quick way to get them to vote yes.

Keep in mind that when the company fires a crew over the beacon they have fired the entire crew. In JFK they fired all 6 on the two public incidents. Happily cooler heads prevailed and the union was able to get their jobs back. Might not happen next time. I have no idea at all what the flight attendant comment and voting yes was about. Most if not all union flight attendant contracts use the same definition of push back that our contract does.

NuGuy 06-04-2010 03:11 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 821671)
Keep in mind that when the company fires a crew over the beacon they have fired the entire crew. In JFK they fired all 6 on the two public incidents. Happily cooler heads prevailed and the union was able to get their jobs back. Might not happen next time. I have no idea at all what the flight attendant comment and voting yes was about. Most if not all union flight attendant contracts use the same definition of push back that our contract does.

Despite my best efforts, I have been unable to fully explain to my fNW counterparts the gravity of this. I've been unable to tell the JFK story and have anyone believe me.

Perhaps someone else can do a better job.

Nu

acl65pilot 06-04-2010 03:29 PM

It is simple and in light of the 3 hr rule, turning that on, which is against the FOM, puts us at an even greater disadvantage against the international carriers that do not have to comply.

They take it seriously. They do not want it on because of the impact it has not just on the block hr issues that we tend to only see, but to the constraints that we have with this new rule among others.

Simply put, it is in the FOM and it is how we define pay. It is contractual. Do not like it, push to change it, but sitting at the gate with the sucker on waiting for push in jfk causes a lot more issues and money that the few bucks that may go in to your checking account.

acl65pilot 06-04-2010 03:30 PM

Also, trip and duty rigs that are robust should make the beacon out and in times a non-issue. Work from that angle. I presume it will serve the pilot group better.

scambo1 06-04-2010 03:41 PM

I never heard the JFK beacon story anyone care to share the readers digest.

80ktsClamp 06-04-2010 03:43 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 821700)
It is simple and in light of the 3 hr rule, turning that on, which is against the FOM, puts us at an even greater disadvantage against the international carriers that do not have to comply.

They take it seriously. They do not want it on because of the impact it has not just on the block hr issues that we tend to only see, but to the constraints that we have with this new rule among others.

Simply put, it is in the FOM and it is how we define pay. It is contractual. Do not like it, push to change it, but sitting at the gate with the sucker on waiting for push in jfk causes a lot more issues and money that the few bucks that may go in to your checking account.

When the doors are closed and the plane is under our responsibility, we should be getting paid as such. No ifs, ands, or butts.

Speaking of butts..

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