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Well the direction from the Memo states to stay at the gate in JFK until directed to request pushback to remain in the three hr window. I would assume the door would close, but they may leave it open.

I see your point, either way do not block out.

I do vaguely remember that... but, evidently duty pilot and dispatch said 3 hrs, might need to be re-defined, again. Or like you said, the door never closes.

The 3 hr rule should be 4 hr at a class B.

acl65pilot

06-04-2010 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 821730)

How is our OUT time registered for the gate agents btw? On our ACARS or can they pick up the phone and call and say "door's closed" and thus be off liability. I mean nobody ever asks "why were you late?" to me, but it'd be interesting to tell them "oh, because the FA's are lost in the back because they claim they never fly the 88 and therefore it took 5 minutes before they closed the door and said we're ready to push..."

See, unaccounted for variables.

That delay would be registered as: "Flight Crew; "Failure to complete Checklist in a timely manner."

No I am not kidding.

Also, we are trying to automate the airline not go the other way. It is simple to show an out for pay with the door, and a out for block with the beacon. It just requires a software and wiring change. Probably too expensive when there is no ROI for the company on the work completed. That is why I state, "Work on trip rigs where the two hrs a month you gain by gaming the system would never be a variable."

acl65pilot

06-04-2010 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 821734)

The simple fact is that this rule will have unintended consequences for the passengers. Foreign airlines are exempt. That hurts us.

The rule like many things was a result of a few errors and as typical is a blanket response where are leveled ruling was warranted.

80ktsClamp

06-04-2010 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 821735)

It's my understanding the fNW planes are wired off the brake and the door... is this still the case? That way the beacon is used for what the beacon is for: signalling impending a/c movement or engine start.

DAL 88 Driver

06-04-2010 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 821740)

It is on the DC-9.

acl65pilot

06-04-2010 04:23 PM

They are. But the "Out" on the F-NWA jets is door closed and brake released.

My point was that to help with the new three hr rule they need to be de-coupled, not just changed to the door. All that does is increase overall block time.

acl65pilot

06-04-2010 04:23 PM

DAL88;
Love the Maytag Repair Man. Kind of emulates the reserve live of a DC9A :p

DAL 88 Driver

06-04-2010 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 821744)

One difference I have found between the 88 at "south" and the DC-9 at "north". On the 88, it is normal to release the brakes as soon as the chocks signal is received after coming to a stop at the gate. The brakes then usually remain released all the way through the pushback for the next flight. (Unless you are starting engines at the gate, in which they need to be set.) On the DC-9, we release the brakes upon receipt of the chocks signal just the same. However, the Before Start Checklist requires the brakes to be set... and they are not usually released until ready to push.

DAL 88 Driver

06-04-2010 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 821746)

DAL88;
Love the Maytag Repair Man. Kind of emulates the reserve live of a DC9A :p

LOL. That was the idea. :)

forgot to bid

06-04-2010 04:33 PM

Acl, as a moderator, can you force 80s avatar picture to be the naked david hasselhoff with wrinkly dog?

:D

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