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04-24-2010 | 07:20 PM
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PWA 11. I. General (page 11-20)
1. A pilot will:
a. receive positive space coach transportation on Company aircraft or on wholly owned
DCI carriers, and Pinnacle (so long as it remains a DCI carrier), to travel between the
training location and any Company station:
1) before and after training.
2) at his request during each duty-free period of 48 hours or more, if sales are
authorized at the time of his attempted booking.
b. receive the highest space available priority among Delta non-revenue travelers on
non-wholly owned DCI carriers (other than Pinnacle) to travel between the training
location and any Company station before and after training.
2. A pilot’s initial reservation will be made to and from the pilot’s base. He may change
this routing to be between the training location and any Company station if sales are
authorized at the time of his attempted booking by coordinating with JSA/XCM.
3. A pilot who travels to training away from base will be considered to have traveled
between his base and the training location in accordance with his initial reservation for
purposes of determining PWA and FAR compliance, training pay, and expenses.a. receive positive space coach transportation on Company aircraft or on wholly owned
DCI carriers, and Pinnacle (so long as it remains a DCI carrier), to travel between the
training location and any Company station:
1) before and after training.
2) at his request during each duty-free period of 48 hours or more, if sales are
authorized at the time of his attempted booking.
b. receive the highest space available priority among Delta non-revenue travelers on
non-wholly owned DCI carriers (other than Pinnacle) to travel between the training
location and any Company station before and after training.
2. A pilot’s initial reservation will be made to and from the pilot’s base. He may change
this routing to be between the training location and any Company station if sales are
authorized at the time of his attempted booking by coordinating with JSA/XCM.
3. A pilot who travels to training away from base will be considered to have traveled
between his base and the training location in accordance with his initial reservation for
04-24-2010 | 07:31 PM
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From: Seeking no jacket required rotations
I asked this a couple of weeks ago and got conflicting answers.
Scheduling told me NO, the position was eliminated when online XCM booking was activated. Too bad you can't do your deviated from deadhead ticket online and now skeds has to do it because there is no XCM desk.
Then, people on this thread told me yes, its still staffed.
Then, Trim Tab had a blurb about instructors booking XCM outside the window needing to call the XCM desk.
Now its come full circle again.
Scheduling told me NO, the position was eliminated when online XCM booking was activated. Too bad you can't do your deviated from deadhead ticket online and now skeds has to do it because there is no XCM desk.
Then, people on this thread told me yes, its still staffed.
Then, Trim Tab had a blurb about instructors booking XCM outside the window needing to call the XCM desk.
Now its come full circle again.
04-24-2010 | 07:33 PM
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From: Seeking no jacket required rotations
Hop Sing........now that is a new one for me, but gotta love stupid pilot tricks eh?
Nope, I've flown with the other guy (MZ) and thank gawd it was only a 2 day. The first guy on my avoid list, but I'm in MSP now so I'm safe.
One night in the Sports Bar in NRT, a bunch of guys started telling MZ stories. Mine was weak by comparison
..............but the others were fun to listen to. My favorite story is prostan has convinced him to never make another PA. Somehow the several FAs got the prostan number (not from me, but I wish I'd a thought of it) and complained about his 10 minute PAs
Ferd
Nope, I've flown with the other guy (MZ) and thank gawd it was only a 2 day. The first guy on my avoid list, but I'm in MSP now so I'm safe.
One night in the Sports Bar in NRT, a bunch of guys started telling MZ stories. Mine was weak by comparison
..............but the others were fun to listen to. My favorite story is prostan has convinced him to never make another PA. Somehow the several FAs got the prostan number (not from me, but I wish I'd a thought of it) and complained about his 10 minute PAsFerd
04-24-2010 | 07:40 PM
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From: LAX ERA
04-24-2010 | 07:43 PM
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From: LAX ERA
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Pineapple;
I see a great deal of logic in your posts, but IMO this one crosses the line from trade unionist to 4th floor wannabe. I believe I understand what you are trying to say, but your divisive and dismissive statements to a front line fellow pilot don't encourage me.
If my strike fund is big enough for me to strike until I am 97 does that encourage you?
It isn't only about what 777 Capts and 744 Capts make. There are likely DC-9 fo's that make less than flight attendants - is that good with you?
There is an element of our compensation that beyond which we may actually be able to add back in the occasional luxury toy. Today, the general DAL pilot doesn't have that discretionary income. Yeah, the economy sucks, but I really don't worry or care what a $10/hour man or a fellow DAL employee thinks about my compensation.
When we were about to enter chap 11, I had a dead battery in the employee parking lot and a DAL mechanic wouldn't give me a jump start because we hadn't yet voted in a a pay cut. Right then and there, I stopped caring what they thought about pilots...forever.
I am not an angry young man, but if you are union officer, please change your goggles or return to the line.
Pineapple;
I see a great deal of logic in your posts, but IMO this one crosses the line from trade unionist to 4th floor wannabe. I believe I understand what you are trying to say, but your divisive and dismissive statements to a front line fellow pilot don't encourage me.
If my strike fund is big enough for me to strike until I am 97 does that encourage you?
It isn't only about what 777 Capts and 744 Capts make. There are likely DC-9 fo's that make less than flight attendants - is that good with you?
There is an element of our compensation that beyond which we may actually be able to add back in the occasional luxury toy. Today, the general DAL pilot doesn't have that discretionary income. Yeah, the economy sucks, but I really don't worry or care what a $10/hour man or a fellow DAL employee thinks about my compensation.
When we were about to enter chap 11, I had a dead battery in the employee parking lot and a DAL mechanic wouldn't give me a jump start because we hadn't yet voted in a a pay cut. Right then and there, I stopped caring what they thought about pilots...forever.
I am not an angry young man, but if you are union officer, please change your goggles or return to the line.
But, I'm already sorry for stick'en my nose in this phone booth.........
Ferd
04-24-2010 | 07:43 PM
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I had a Carl Spackler sighting on the Are Airtran Guys Happy? thread, Ferds back, Guard Dude (the Godfather) is back, maybe Carl's next.
TSquare are you building an off the grid house and if so, would you pm me the various systems you are incorporating.
Ferd, what did mountain dew do to that guy?
TSquare are you building an off the grid house and if so, would you pm me the various systems you are incorporating.
Ferd, what did mountain dew do to that guy?
04-24-2010 | 07:48 PM
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From: LAX ERA
04-24-2010 | 08:09 PM
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I also remember him carrying around a huge insulated mug (probably 64 ounces) which always had Pepsi in it.
04-24-2010 | 08:19 PM
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Think that it was an "imposter" of Carl, just a look-a-like. Same name but under the username included "McBoeing FO", and only 36 total posts.
As I recall, and haven't been around long, but I'm pretty sure that the "real Carl Spackler" posted 36 posts during a days work of SLI arbitration alone. (Kudos to Carl, no intention of reliving the SLI discussion, just making a point.)
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04-24-2010 | 08:29 PM
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I know exactly what you're saying. And while I'd like to believe you, I don't. Public sympathy for Colgan pilots making $16k/year is just not going to transfer to DAL pilots making $200k. The lowest DAL captain makes $151/hr. So you tell me the public is going to feel sorry for us when DAL publishes that the "average DAL Captain" makes $175k/year? I wish it were so.
Now watch the left hand...
DALPA: American Airlines pilot union negotiated a pay raise for their largest jet Captains of 20% greater than our current pay for the same aircraft. We are simply here today asking for our pay to be approximately 5% less than that.
Pilot Hating Reporter: So you're not asking to be the highest paid airline pilots?
Still watching the left hand? Good, keep watching it and dodge any questions about what the right hand is doing.
DALPA: No, not at all. We are asking for a pay raise we believe is to the betterment of our passengers, people who we don't even know but we owe our very existence too, our company and our shareholders, whom we love so very much. We're not greedy at all, we just ask that instead of demanding large amount of money for our pilots that we give the best pilots in the world stronger job security. Job security that will help ensure that when you buy a ticket on a Delta jet, its a Delta pilot, who loves you so very much, at the helm.
Okay, while everyone is watching the left hand someone knows the right hand is up to something...
Future Management: HUH? You knocked up the whole pay for the pilot group by an average of $35 per hour for Captains and $24 for First Officers. AND your work rule requests are out of sight. You want 747 and 777 crews to get an 85 hour minimum pay per month instead of 70, but a max ALV of 75. You want all WS's to be 1.5X pay, eliminate the GS trigger, IAs paying 2x pay even for reserve pilots, credit for short call, ability to drop turns to make trips commutable and every 3rd GS to pay 3X for regular pilots and 2X for reserve pilots!?!??? Are you NUTS!?
DALPA: You see, we love our passengers, our airline and our creditors very much. What we are doing, by asking for 5% less than AMR and trying to ensure for the sake of all involved that when people buy tickets on the best airline in the world, Delta, that they're assured they'll have the best pilots in the world, Delta pilots, flying. We are just simply looking out for them. Because we are lovers, not fighters.
Reporter: I love you guys!
Future Management: @##%@#!@$!@
Airline Pilot Forum Reader: ^^^ I'm about to barf again in my mouth.
FTB: To me it seems is if you get a big big pay raise, C2012+a lot, then you have to give up something (scope, section 23, etc) and then as soon as there is another downturn they come after the pay because its tangible and we lose pay and don't regain workrules. Thats like a normal union.
I believe in work rules with good pay because work rules are harder to figure out and undo and in the absurd example below we can already claim having lower wages, so you can't cut us. We operated in good faith.
And if any one of the them touched should have us screaming bloody murder as if a cut in the rate of school lunch program growth will leave poor kids starving in school cafeteria’s while all the rich kids eat in front of them.
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